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HankHill said:
Nothing he said was false. The whole meaner tougher argument is just an opinion with no backing. They were like 6 new teams for most of Jordan’s career. That alone waters down the league as a whole.

Just stack up their individual abilities and you would take lebron in:

Passing
Transition
3pt shooting. (Jordan’s best two years they moved in the line)
Defensive versatility
Length
Rebounding.
Better in pick and roll
Getting to the rim


Jordan is for sure better mid range, free throws, on probably on ball defense.

So many things point to Lebron except for whatever the hell killer mentality is.
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Whatever the hell killer mentality is?..SMH.
 
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SmilezDavis said:
I wouldn't necessarily say that defenses were more aggressive. Sure, they were more physical, but they were far less complex. Somehow, we've mistaken the brutality of the past for good defense despite the fact that, from 1977 to 1988, the league average never fell below 108 points per game. Teams are averaging 106.3 points per game this year which is the highest average since the 1990-91 season. There was a steep decline in scoring during the 90s that continued well into the 2000s.

League average remained below 100 from 1995 to 2007, and was as low as 93.4 points per game as recently as 2003. It should be noted that the low scoring was due more to a slow offensive pace and poor shot selection than defensive tactics. Shooting percentages have been pretty similar for decades. The difference is the number of 3s. I realize that people dislike flopping and, disturbingly, long for the days when a clothesline was only a personal foul rather than a flagrant. However, statistics clearly show that defenses were not nearly as good as people remember. Nostalgia really screws with our perceptions.
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I know what my eyes see and what they saw. You keep believing that.
 
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Sleegro said:
Totatlly agree. Aren't there also rumors of guys that missed games/seasons due to injury that weren't really injured. And a couple of guys who "retired" from football due to injury transfer and play? I don't know how much of it is true though.
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A lot of guys were burned out last year. Maybe some of them didn't want to put their bodies on the line when things started getting really toxic. IDT TKJr and some others would have returned under Butch. Everything I have heard indicates that things are much, much better now. Hope has returned to The Hill.
 
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LA Vol said:
A lot of guys were burned out last year. Maybe some of them didn't want to put their bodies on the line when things started getting really toxic. IDT TKJr and some others would have returned under Butch. Everything I have heard indicates that things are much, much better now. Hope has returned to The Hill.
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yep. just wish venzell would have stuck around.
 
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SmilezDavis said:
I wouldn't necessarily say that defenses were more aggressive. Sure, they were more physical, but they were far less complex. Somehow, we've mistaken the brutality of the past for good defense despite the fact that, from 1977 to 1988, the league average never fell below 108 points per game. Teams are averaging 106.3 points per game this year which is the highest average since the 1990-91 season. There was a steep decline in scoring during the 90s that continued well into the 2000s.

League average remained below 100 from 1995 to 2007, and was as low as 93.4 points per game as recently as 2003. It should be noted that the low scoring was due more to a slow offensive pace and poor shot selection than defensive tactics. Shooting percentages have been pretty similar for decades. The difference is the number of 3s. I realize that people dislike flopping and, disturbingly, long for the days when a clothesline was only a personal foul rather than a flagrant. However, statistics clearly show that defenses were not nearly as good as people remember. Nostalgia really screws with our perceptions.
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Sir. Excuse me, sir.

We aren’t interested in facts around here.
 
#5,389
#5,389
Sleegro said:
Haha maybe. It has been kinda uncanny lately. :lolabove:

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Happens with Vols4us sometimes too. Maybe we are all 3 long lost relatives. Sucks for you guys
 
#5,390
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hankhill said:
nothing he said was false. The whole meaner tougher argument is just an opinion with no backing. They were like 6 new teams for most of jordan’s career. That alone waters down the league as a whole.

Just stack up their individual abilities and you would take lebron in:

Passing
transition
3pt shooting. (jordan’s best two years they moved in the line)
defensive versatility
length
rebounding.
Better in pick and roll
getting to the rim


jordan is for sure better mid range, free throws, on probably on ball defense.

So many things point to lebron except for whatever the hell killer mentality is.
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🙄
 
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volfanngatorland said:
Have you seen the teams in the Eastern Conference the last 10 years?

Not sure you want to bring up the “watered down league” argument
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Hahaha right? The league is so top heavy right now it's not even worth watching unless it 2 of the 3 teams that are any good. When was the last time anybody was surprised by a finals matchup. You can predict them before the season starts.
 
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SmilezDavis said:
I wouldn't necessarily say that defenses were more aggressive. Sure, they were more physical, but they were far less complex. Somehow, we've mistaken the brutality of the past for good defense despite the fact that, from 1977 to 1988, the league average never fell below 108 points per game. Teams are averaging 106.3 points per game this year which is the highest average since the 1990-91 season. There was a steep decline in scoring during the 90s that continued well into the 2000s.

League average remained below 100 from 1995 to 2007, and was as low as 93.4 points per game as recently as 2003. It should be noted that the low scoring was due more to a slow offensive pace and poor shot selection than defensive tactics. Shooting percentages have been pretty similar for decades. The difference is the number of 3s. I realize that people dislike flopping and, disturbingly, long for the days when a clothesline was only a personal foul rather than a flagrant. However, statistics clearly show that defenses were not nearly as good as people remember. Nostalgia really screws with our perceptions.
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Defenses were more physical. Much more physical. I’m not sure that means “better”, but the physicality aspect really isn’t debatable.

As far as scoring.... they actually played TEAM basketball in those days.
 
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#5,397
Honestly, Jordan was probably just relieved he didn’t have to play the big 3 of Jameer Nelson, Hedo Turkoglu, and Dwight Howard in the Eastern Conference Finals

Luckily Jordan had a watered down league to cruise through
 
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Sleegro said:
You mean his rookie season when he made the playoffs? Tell me who lebron played in the playoffs his rookie year. :lolabove:
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The Bulls finished with 10 more wins and 5th in their division before Jordan and made the playoff with a 38-44 record lol gtfo dude just quit. The Cavs were 17-65 and 8th the yr before Lebron and went 37-45 his rookie year
 
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