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LaagerVol said:
I know some of you guys like to defend butch and say nonsense like he is still living in our heads “rent free” and he didn’t hurt any of the players development etc, but this is just more evidence of how bad he was. Obviously Chance just didn’t want to play for butch anymore. Wish Boulware would have stuck around to play for Pruitt.
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not defending anyone here, but Chance has been hurt a lot. i think that probably had more to do with it than anything. 'course he was an injury project when he got here, which does validate some of the concerns about Butch and his recruiting prowess.
 
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Most people in my age group don’t realize how great Larry Bird was either.

His “left hand game” might be one of my favorite stories ever. Just greatness.
 
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IDT anyone doubted Chance Hall working hard to be back. The question is his durability. He practices or plays a few weeks, then gets injured. Been like that for four years. It would help us out a lot if he can stay healthy.
 
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jakez4ut said:
not defending anyone here, but Chance has been hurt a lot. i think that probably had more to do with it than anything. 'course he was an injury project when he got here, which does validate some of the concerns about Butch and his recruiting prowess.
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I read his post as being about him not having the surgery or seemingly not wanting to come back until Pruitt got here. I may be wrong but that's how I read it.
 
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Your 1989 & 1990 NBA Champions

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jakez4ut said:
not defending anyone here, but Chance has been hurt a lot. i think that probably had more to do with it than anything. 'course he was an injury project when he got here, which does validate some of the concerns about Butch and his recruiting prowess.
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Also doesn’t explain why he waited so long to get surgerized. If he had a desire to play football for butch he would’ve had the surgery long before, thus why he is fired up now. He is excited about football again.

That’s just me reading between the lines
 
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Sleegro said:
I read his post as being about him not having the surgery or seemingly not wanting to come back until Pruitt got here. I may be wrong but that's how I read it.
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LaagerVol said:
Also doesn’t explain why he waited so long to get surgerized. If he had a desire to play football for butch he would’ve had the surgery long before, thus why he is fired up now. He is excited about football again.

That’s just me reading between the lines
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:thumbsup: i guess if you want to, you can connect those dots.

regardless...i just hope he can be a factor for us this year. him being consistently available would be yuge.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
You could have quoted the whole post and put that gif. He’s all over the place
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Nothing he said was false. The whole meaner tougher argument is just an opinion with no backing. They were like 6 new teams for most of Jordan’s career. That alone waters down the league as a whole.

Just stack up their individual abilities and you would take lebron in:

Passing
Transition
3pt shooting. (Jordan’s best two years they moved in the line)
Defensive versatility
Length
Rebounding.
Better in pick and roll
Getting to the rim


Jordan is for sure better mid range, free throws, on probably on ball defense.

So many things point to Lebron except for whatever the hell killer mentality is.
 
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I think Chance was advised to consider giving up football due to recurring knee injuries. He went for a second opinion, then opted to have the third surgery. We have had other players who received conflicting medical opinions. Some left the team; some stayed.
 
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LaagerVol said:
Also doesn’t explain why he waited so long to get surgerized. If he had a desire to play football for butch he would’ve had the surgery long before, thus why he is fired up now. He is excited about football again.

That’s just me reading between the lines
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This is how I see the situation too. I think he was done or thinking about not returning returning until him and Pruitt had that convo.
 
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LA Vol said:
I think Chance was advised to consider giving up football due to recurring knee injuries. He went for a second opinion, then opted to have the third surgery. We have had other players who received conflicting medical opinions. Some left the team; some stayed.
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Yeah that's kinda weird though right. Not that specific incident but that it was one of many. At least I've never heard of it happening so much with 1 coach. I don't know if it was Butch's fault necessarily but that seemed to happen more with him in charge than any coach I can think of.
 
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HankHill said:
Nothing he said was false. The whole meaner tougher argument is just an opinion with no backing. They were like 6 new teams for most of Jordan’s career. That alone waters down the league as a whole.

Just stack up their individual abilities and you would take lebron in:

Passing
Transition
3pt shooting. (Jordan’s best two years they moved in the line)
Defensive versatility
Length
Rebounding.
Better in pick and roll
Getting to the rim


Jordan is for sure better mid range, free throws, on probably on ball defense.

So many things point to Lebron except for whatever the hell killer mentality is.
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He’s going to finish top 10 in points, rebounds, and assists. GOAT
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
The fact is that teams were infinitely more aggresive on defense in that era than they are now. Defense is garbage now, but even back then there were teams that always sucked on defense and were soft, such as the Bucks and Denver. It figures that guy would post that little gif of Jordan going against them instead of getting his brains knocked out going to the hole against Detroit or Boston.
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I wouldn't necessarily say that defenses were more aggressive. Sure, they were more physical, but they were far less complex. Somehow, we've mistaken the brutality of the past for good defense despite the fact that, from 1977 to 1988, the league average never fell below 108 points per game. Teams are averaging 106.3 points per game this year which is the highest average since the 1990-91 season. There was a steep decline in scoring during the 90s that continued well into the 2000s.

League average remained below 100 from 1995 to 2007, and was as low as 93.4 points per game as recently as 2003. It should be noted that the low scoring was due more to a slow offensive pace and poor shot selection than defensive tactics. Shooting percentages have been pretty similar for decades. The difference is the number of 3s. I realize that people dislike flopping and, disturbingly, long for the days when a clothesline was only a personal foul rather than a flagrant. However, statistics clearly show that defenses were not nearly as good as people remember. Nostalgia really screws with our perceptions.
 
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WIsh there was a fast forward button to skip all the jordan vs Lebron talk. Wasted alotnof time hoping something interesting football wise was in here today
 
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Sleegro said:
Yeah that's kinda weird though right. Not that specific incident but that it was one of many. At least I've never heard of it happening so much with 1 coach. I don't know if it was Butch's fault necessarily but that seemed to happen more with him in charge than any coach I can think of.
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We did seem to have more than our fair share of injuries under Intern Butch. Pruitt has avoided casting direct blame, but he's made comments about conditioning and the way the team practiced before that makes you wonder.

Also, Butch seemed to take a lot of players with pre-existing injuries, banking on them staying healthy. Chance Hall missed his HS SR season and has missed two seasons at UT. Calbert had two torn ACLs in HS before suffering another one at UT. Pruitt has already shown that he's not going to do this.
 
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LA Vol said:
We did seem to have more than our fair share of injuries under Intern Butch. Pruitt has avoided casting direct blame, but he's made comments about conditioning and the way the team practiced before that makes you wonder.

Also, Butch seemed to take a lot of players with pre-existing injuries, banking on them staying healthy. Chance Hall missed his HS SR season and has missed two seasons at UT. Calbert had two torn ACLs in HS before suffering another one at UT. Pruit has already shown that he's not going to do this.
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Totatlly agree. Aren't there also rumors of guys that missed games/seasons due to injury that weren't really injured. And a couple of guys who "retired" from football due to injury transfer and play? I don't know how much of it is true though.
 
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LA Vol said:
We did seem to have more than our fair share of injuries under Intern Butch. Pruitt has avoided casting direct blame, but he's made comments about conditioning and the way the team practiced before that makes you wonder.

Also, Butch seemed to take a lot of players with pre-existing injuries, banking on them staying healthy. Chance Hall missed his HS SR season and has missed two seasons at UT. Calbert had two torn ACLs in HS before suffering another one at UT. Pruitt has already shown that he's not going to do this.
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:thumbsup: agreed.
 
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