Pope: There Is No Hell

#851
#851
McDad said:
That's what I like about you ape. You and I live in different worlds. I had to look up what human centipede was . gross
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I can take you to some of my old haunts. If you foot the bill. (this includes bail money)
 
#854
#854
apevol said:
I can take you to some of my old haunts. If you foot the bill. (this includes bail money)
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My wife gives me $10 per week allowance. What's that get us at your old haunts?
 
#862
#862
If free booze didnt exist, I wouldve pulled my best David Carradine impersonation years ago.
 
#864
#864
therealUT said:
I have no feels.

As for 1 Chronicles, "thulduth" is not there. What is used is a derivative of "thulduth", "i-thldthi-u".

So, that would make sense, that being a derivative, that it is retrospective in that verse.

"Thulduth", which is what is found in Gen 2:4, is not "i-thldthi-u". "Thulduth" just might never be used retrospectively throughout the entire Old Testament (I have not searched, I have only searched the Torah).

Also, re: "genealogy". It is only very recently in the history of language that "genealogy" has been attached almost specifically to family lineage. This is why you will find older English texts titled "The Genealogy of _____", and the blank will be filled with multiple things.

"Genealogy", traditionally understood, simply meant the story of the coming to be of something. Thus, the story of the coming to be of the all the sons of Isaac or the story of the coming to be of the heavens and the earth.
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And yet it is still the concept of s list of things as opposed to a description of activities, which is the reason s different word was attached to it.
 
#865
#865
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Originally Posted by UT-Rex View Post

See here, how the philosophers of his day recognized Job -- "He was the greatest man among all the people of the East" (Job 1:2).

therealUT said:
See here, how the philosophers of the day recognized TRUT:

"He was the greatest man among all the people of the West" (TRUT 1:1)

See the problem here?

The issue I raised was that there is no compelling evidence to think that it was the book of Job or the story of Job that lead the pre-Socratics to their view, because there is no compelling evidence that the book of Job or the story of Job pre-dates the pre-Socratics.

Now, once the story of Job was told and written, could it have then been distributed and disseminated through the region? Of course. In like manner, the wisdom of the pre-Socratics was widely distributed and disseminated throughout the Mediterranean region.
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Yes, I do (but it' not the problem you think it is).

The context of Job's life, is Jehovah God, Creator of the Universe,

and the context of these 3 men is that the men of their day knew that Job worshipped God, the Creator of the Universe ("In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil. Early in the morning he would sacrifice a burnt offering for each of them, thinking, “Perhaps my children have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” This was Job’s regular custom.").

Tell me: who did Trut worship(?); if you will, send me (not just the book:chapter:verse) the actual, written quotation evidencing who Trut worshiped.
 
#867
#867
Orange_Crush said:
And yet it is still the concept of s list of things as opposed to a description of activities, which is the reason s different word was attached to it.
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I'm not tracking.

1 Chronicles uses a different form of the word (probably the form that is always retrospective).

Are you saying the difference in 2:4 and the rest of the uses is that the others are lists and not activities?
 
#868
#868
therealUT said:
I'm not tracking.

1 Chronicles uses a different form of the word (probably the form that is always retrospective).

Are you saying the difference in 2:4 and the rest of the uses is that the others are lists and not activities?
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Basically. I'm saying that on an admittedly cursory look at the list of usage, it was used as a preface every time when it was listing lineage. I see a contextual difference in describing events. And again, I don't necessarily look for things like "forms that are always...".
 
#869
#869
Orange_Crush said:
Basically. I'm saying that on an admittedly cursory look at the list of usage, it was used as a preface every time when it was listing lineage. I see a contextual difference in describing events. And again, I don't necessarily look for things like "forms that are always...".
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It was used before the story of Jacob. Genesis 37. It's a full on story.
 
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#871
#871
Orange_Crush said:
That's a very unfair portrayal. I treated you respectfully while holding you accountable to scripture and internal consistency, and consistency to the accusations you made against those who disagree with you.

And, you are yet to provide enough scripture in context of itself, original languages, and cultural interpretation to prove your point. You have merely twisted and misquoted enough scripture to build a house of cards that agrees with your preconceived notions.

Just like you just wrenched a scripture form its context and forced a meaning on it--claiming that God's promise to uphold His word is a promise to give us the 1611 authorized KJV Bible.

In your arrogance, you've accused us of being false prophet drunkards who are going to Hell, and who have no respect for "the perfect Word of God", just because we disagree with you on moderate drinking and the status of the KJV.

SO... Defend your claim. Answer the question. What about that verse promises us the specific KJV authorized English Bible, as opposed to preserving the lines of original language manuscripts?

Step up. Support your claims and accusations.

And if you think I'm unkind in my attitude toward you, Jesus was pretty direct toward self-righteous Pharisees as well.
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Damn, I thought ajvol caught a backhand today. BigO may need comfort animal after this.
 
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#872
#872
Septic said:
Damn, I thought ajvol caught a backhand today. BigO may need comfort animal after this.
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I have the Comforter living on the inside. :) No need to get too concerned about me. Just because someone makes an accusation, that doesn't make it true. I already gave plenty of bible to back my claims.
 
#874
#874
BigO95 said:
I have the Comforter living on the inside. :) No need to get too concerned about me. Just because someone makes an accusation, that doesn't make it true. I already gave plenty of bible to back my claims.
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If only you had a Bible to back up your Bible claims.
 
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