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I don’t see how Brown would know what the 19 class will look like in MARCH of 2018. Zero cares given by me. But then again, I’m not looking for something to be negative about. And I think we have real coaches on this staff. That’s what else we have.

I’m not looking for him to swear to it in blood. But it’s a reasonable ask to see where he thinks it will be, and subscribers should get a more thoughtful answer. And you’re probably the type that can rationalize that it’s ONLY March to ONLY August to ONLY November with respect to recruiting. The more time until signing day make it more fluid obviously, but an analyst should have a pretty good idea how it’s going.

And I’m not looking for something to be negative about. Ten years of this crap and disliking Pruitt before we hired him makes it effortless.
 
He's gonna appoint BOT members that will do the Haslam bidding.

I refer to all Haslams as the same person. Doesn't matter which one is meddling. They are all the same to me.

That's your prerogative. I haven't seen enough from Bill to say what he is doing to hinder UT. All I can say is that he has been fine as governor.

I am sure there are families that wouldn't like you treating all siblings the same.
 
"Why aren't these ignorant rednecks happy with TaxSlayer Bowls and beating Florida once every 11 years?! They're wackos to demand a better product than that. Who do they think they are, Alabama?"

I have been watching The Miracle in South Bend today, and as I'm watching I start remembering everything else about that day, the sights and sounds and smells, where we went to eat that night, and how exhilarated everyone was...and suddenly it just struck me how monumentally sad it is that we have a whole generation of fans that have zero experiences like that. I have so many, from so many great seasons where even if we didn't win a championship, we were almost always relevant and our games mattered.

It is just a game..I keep telling myself that when I get crazy over the stupidity and betrayal foisted on us by these despicable people...but then I remember the look on my papaws face that night..It is just a game, that is true, but it is sooooo much more than that also, that is also true.

I hope that for our lost generation of diehard suffering fans that somebody can turn this around, and they too can have those great life experiences associated with being a Tennessee Volunteer for life.
 
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That's your prerogative. I haven't seen enough from Bill to say what he is doing to hinder UT. All I can say is that he has been fine as governor.

I am sure there are families that wouldn't like you treating all siblings the same.

This FOCUS act is the Governor's version of hiring John Currie.

It is no different.

When Bill appoint's BOT members, do you think they are going to be Haslam-friendly and not just to Bill Haslam? Of course they are.

So therefore, I don't worry about distinguishing between the Haslams. I don't want any of them anywhere near our program. They've proven themselves.
 
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I have been watching The Miracle in South Bend today, and as I'm watching I start remembering everything else about that day, the sights and sounds and smells, where we went to eat that night, and how exhilarated everyone was...and suddenly it just struck me how monumentally sad it is that we have a whole generation of fans that have zero experiences like that. I have so many, from so many great seasons where even if we didn't win a championship, we were almost always relevant and our games mattered.

It is just a game..I keep telling myself that when I get crazy over the stupidity and betrayal foisted on us by these despicable people...but then I remember the look on my papaws face that night..It is just a game, that is true, but it is sooooo much more than that also, that is also true.

I hope that for our lost generation of diehard suffering fans that somebody can turn this around, and they too can have those great life experiences associated with being a Tennessee Volunteer for life.

It amazes me that even in the midst of our worst season in history, after one of the worst decades in our history, with our AD screwing up the firing and hiring of coaches we had an Empty Neyland protest movement. And it was fairly noticeable that we only had about 90,000 fans in the stadium. I mean "only" 90,000. Most teams would kill for 90,000 fans in their stadiums. That is what we get in our worst of times. We may be crazy but we are the definition of Loyal Fans. I know very few people who were Vol fans in the 90's in our best recent times, that are not still Vol fans. The percentage of fair weather Vol fans, in my experience living in different regions of the country, is way lower than just about any other team. Yer last point made me think of that and I know we'll get back to that sooner than later. There is not a single program in the nation that doesn't have down periods. Ours has just been longer than it should've been due to poor leadership. Hopefully that is over.
 
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This FOCUS act is the Governor's version of hiring John Currie.

It is no different.

When Bill appoint's BOT members, do you think they are going to be Haslam-friendly and not just to Bill Haslam? Of course they are.

So therefore, I don't worry about distinguishing between the Haslams. I don't want any of them anywhere near our program. They've proven themselves.

Even though, as someone pointed out earlier, Big Jim was the one pulling all the strings during the most successful era of modern UT football (i.e. the mid-90's to early 2000's)? You wouldn't want that near this program again?

Also, what if Bill's influence is more like his father's than his brother's? I'm not saying it 100% would be, but it is just as likely as not IMO.
 
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In regards to the difference in meetings for the players.

Tennessee Vols football: Meeting responsibilities of players increasing under Jeremy Pruitt, staff

“I think the big thing for our guys is the meetings,” Pruitt said after Tuesday’s practice at Haslam Field. “I think the meetings are a little different than what they’re accustomed to.”

Pruitt chose his words carefully — he, like most coaches, will do anything to avoid publicly criticizing a peer — but he didn’t deny that players have told him the lengths of meetings and responsibilities of players in those meetings are different from the past.

“I just think that maybe — and all I’m going from is feedback from the players — is it’s a little bit different from an organizational standpoint, possibly a little longer,” Pruitt said. “We do a lot. We cover a lot of details, especially from a defensive standpoint. I know our offense does, too, and then special teams.

“And I’m not saying somebody else didn’t. What I’m saying is it’s a lot of information in one meeting. Sometimes it might be too much if you’re not used to it. What happens is, is you get a lot of guys that are fired up, and they want to do their best, they’re really locked in to trying to get it.

“But sometimes they can’t figure out exactly what they need to be getting. They’re trying to listen to everything instead of exactly their part of the picture.”

“I do think the guys are trying hard to grasp it,”
 
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Even though, as someone pointed out earlier, Big Jim was the one pulling all the strings during the most successful era of modern UT football (i.e. the mid-90's to early 2000's)? You wouldn't want that near this program again?

Also, what if Bill's influence is more like his father's than his brother's? I'm not saying it 100% would be, but it is just as likely as not IMO.

No he wasn’t.

Doug Dickey was.
 
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The counter argument to that would be: "My client decided that learning under Saban was the best path to rehabilitating his career. Other former head coaches have taken this route with success. The pay may be low, but Alabama wasn't willing to offer more."

I don't think many judges will want to interfere with Butch's career decisions to a great degree, especially since he can point to this option as being a legitimate path back to the top of the profession.

You're right, though. UT won't fight it, regardless.

While Butch has a duty to mitigate damages, UT has no duty to mitigate his incompetence by investing millions in his OTJ training at another university. He knows UT can't tighten the screws, so he's milking the situation for all he can. The guy is a total con and has been all along.
 
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No he wasn’t.

Doug Dickey was.

Doug Dickey was very instrumental in the growth and success of Tennessee athletics, but he didn't do it alone.
However, that's another conversation for another time.

All I am saying is that there is no evidence this FOCUS bill or Governor Haslam's role in its implementation will have an adverse effect on Tennessee athletics.
 
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Doug Dickey was very instrumental in the growth and success of Tennessee athletics, but he didn't do it alone.
However, that's another conversation for another time.

All I am saying is that there is no evidence this FOCUS bill or Governor Haslam's role in its implementation will have an adverse effect on Tennessee athletics.

Do you work for Pilot or something?

There's plenty of evidence that the Haslams suck and need to be kept away from our program.

It's pretty obvious what is happening with this thing. Power was lost and they are trying to gain it back.
 
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Do you work for Pilot or something?

There's plenty of evidence that the Haslams suck and need to be kept away from our program.

It's pretty obvious what is happening with this thing. Power was lost and they are trying to gain it back.

The most glaring evidence that the "Haslam family sucks" is Jimmy. Evidence says that Big Jim was a success and apparently a few people think Bill has been a successful mayor/governor because he has been elected a few times. If my brother was a failure at something, I personally wouldn't want to be judged by his failure and so I don't think the entire family should be judged by one member's failures.

Also, as I stated earlier, this legislation was most likely in the works LONG before any power was "lost" with the whole Schiano thing. This plan was hatched before the end of November/beginning of December and would have been pushed through before Bill leaves office regardless of who the head football coach at Tennessee is.

All I am saying is that I think the impact this legislation will have on Tennessee athletics is being WILDLY over estimated.
 
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I’m not looking for him to swear to it in blood. But it’s a reasonable ask to see where he thinks it will be, and subscribers should get a more thoughtful answer. And you’re probably the type that can rationalize that it’s ONLY March to ONLY August to ONLY November with respect to recruiting. The more time until signing day make it more fluid obviously, but an analyst should have a pretty good idea how it’s going.

And I’m not looking for something to be negative about. Ten years of this crap and disliking Pruitt before we hired him makes it effortless.

I’m the type that tries not to borrow problems, and worrying that Patrick Brown didn’t guarantee a top 10 class, in March, is the definition of borrowing problems.

I don’t understand why people who slant negative never own it? I’m the opposite. I try to be positive, but I own that and readily admit it.
 
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I’m the type that tries not to borrow problems, and worrying that Patrick Brown didn’t guarantee a top 10 class, in March, is the definition of borrowing problems.

I don’t understand why people who slant negative never own it? I’m the opposite. I try to be positive, but I own that and readily admit it.

Eh, depends on your definition of borrowing problems. Will I lose sleep over it at any point, ever? No. Appropriate to contemplate it while perusing a UT message board? Absolutely.

Perhaps you didn’t read the entire post. I said it was effortless to be negative about UT football. How is that possibly not owning it? Not as direct as those who proclaim being positive is a badge of honor?
 
The most glaring evidence that the "Haslam family sucks" is Jimmy. Evidence says that Big Jim was a success and apparently a few people think Bill has been a successful mayor/governor because he has been elected a few times. If my brother was a failure at something, I personally wouldn't want to be judged by his failure and so I don't think the entire family should be judged by one member's failures.

Also, as I stated earlier, this legislation was most likely in the works LONG before any power was "lost" with the whole Schiano thing. This plan was hatched before the end of November/beginning of December and would have been pushed through before Bill leaves office regardless of who the head football coach at Tennessee is.

All I am saying is that I think the impact this legislation will have on Tennessee athletics is being WILDLY over estimated.

From what I understand the focus act was modified. So yeah the act was in the works for a long time but recently was changed.

You’re acting like Bill Haslam is just some guy with the same last name. A Haslam picked President/BOT is not good for the university because what we will end up with is people who will do as the Haslams say.

We don’t need any Haslam influence or their money.
 
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Even though, as someone pointed out earlier, Big Jim was the one pulling all the strings during the most successful era of modern UT football (i.e. the mid-90's to early 2000's)? You wouldn't want that near this program again?

Also, what if Bill's influence is more like his father's than his brother's? I'm not saying it 100% would be, but it is just as likely as not IMO.

Who are the Haslems to you, and why are you so adamantly defending them?
 
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Why even take a salary

It could be the minimum salary he has to take in order to receive employer benefits, primarily health insurance. He does have a family to think about, and COBRA premiums are a pain to pay out of pocket. There could be other employer/employee reasons he has to take a salary, but at the end of the day, I highly doubt he cares about the $35K considering his buyout from UT.
 
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It could be the minimum salary he has to take in order to receive employer benefits, primarily health insurance. He does have a family to think about, and COBRA premiums are a pain to pay out of pocket. There could be other employer/employee reasons he has to take a salary, but at the end of the day, I highly doubt he cares about the $35K considering his buyout from UT.

I'm pretty sure a guy worth millions and millions of dollars isn't sweating insurance..that is really silly to me. He isn't some middle class guy making 30-50 grand a year trying to pay for insurance on a family of five like most of us.
 
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