#BoycottNRA

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NorthDallas40 said:
I will bet you money a 2a repeal doesn’t happen in our lifetimes. A serious push by any Democrats outside of CA would be career suicide. And even without the NRA the Replulican base doesn’t want it. And even it you by some miracle got it thru Congress the super majority ratification required by states (I think that is the bar. Its not a simple majority) would kill it. The American coasts might be blue but the whole inner area is fairly red.

I’m not gonna lose any sleep over it just yet.

Edit: so I checked. State ratification level is three fourths majority. That’s 38 states. And a two thirds majority in both houses of Congress. Nah not gonna worry.

And even that bastion of unbiased media reporting, CNN, seems to agree! Well one of their op-eds does but it doesn’t get published without clearing politburo review does it?

There's not a 'snowflake's chance in hell' of repealing the Second Amendment - CNNPolitics
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Oh I agree it ain't happening. I was just talking about what the legal effect would be. Similarly, a lot of people seem to assume that if Roe v. Wade were overturned abortions would become illegal. They wouldn't. It would just be up to the states to regulate.
 
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evillawyer said:
Oh I agree it ain't happening. I was just talking about what the legal effect would be. Similarly, a lot of people seem to assume that if Roe v. Wade were overturned abortions would become illegal. They wouldn't. It would just be up to the states to regulate.
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Yeah that’s true agreed.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Yeah that’s true agreed.
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Much better chance of overturning Heller if we can just get Ginsberg, Breyer and Kennedy to stay on through the 2020 election (I think all three will retire after 2020). Although frankly, if we flip the Senate this fall, we can just pull a McConnell on any Trump SCOTUS appointee.
 
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evillawyer said:
Much better chance of overturning Heller if we can just get Ginsberg, Breyer and Kennedy to stay on through the 2020 election (I think all three will retire after 2020). Although frankly, if we flip the Senate this fall, we can just pull a McConnell on any Trump SCOTUS appointee.
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Next you can try overturning free speech or make search and seizure simple and easy.
 
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evillawyer said:
Much better chance of overturning Heller if we can just get Ginsberg, Breyer and Kennedy to stay on through the 2020 election (I think all three will retire after 2020). Although frankly, if we flip the Senate this fall, we can just pull a McConnell on any Trump SCOTUS appointee.
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No way you get the senate. Just look at the seats that are up. They’re all blue. And I’d be shocked if all three are still there in 2020. They are collectively older than this country.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
No way you get the senate. Just look at the seats that are up. They’re all blue. And I’d be shocked if all three are still there in 2020. They are collectively older than this country.
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It's a long shot, but never doubt the ability of Trump and the GOP to screw themselves over (see Roy Moore and Saccone).

But yeah, WV, MO and ND will be hard to hold for the Dems.
 
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evillawyer said:
It's a long shot, but never doubt the ability of Trump and the GOP to screw themselves over (see Roy Moore and Saccone).

But yeah, WV, MO and ND will be hard to hold for the Dems.
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The opposite would be glorious. There are enough senate seats to get a super majority!

Watching everybody on the CA coast north of Orange Co get in a rubber dingy and start paddling west would be glorious to behold!

But no that won’t happen either.
 
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05_never_again said:
Ultimately where you stand on the gun debate is a function of where you are culturally, not because you've read the research and come to some sort of logical conclusion that guns increase violence, or decrease violence, or whatever.

I know people who are politically conservative but live "up north" in mostly urban areas. To a person, I've heard them say statements like "I just don't get why anybody needs a gun." I also know politically liberal people who live in rural areas (rural Oregon) but love guns and are skeptical about gun control efforts. The culture that they grew up/live in has shaped their views about guns, not any sort of analysis of the facts.
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I grew up in Chicago. I think the right to bear arms is a constitutional right. I think gun control advocates need to pound sand.
 
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Big Gucci Sosa said:
The reason these folks don’t understand the 2A is because they think the government is there to help them. That’s the fundamental issue here.
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It really is bizarro world. You have a former Justice saying there’s nothing to fear from the goverment, so there’s no need for guns. The same people who protest cops hunting minorities for sport want the cops to be the only people armed. They decry the police state but march for its creation.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
It really is bizarro world. You have a former Justice saying there’s nothing to fear from the goverment, so there’s no need for guns. The same people who protest cops hunting minorities for sport want the cops to be the only people armed. They decry the police state but march for its creation.
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DancingOutlaw said:
It really is bizarro world. You have a former Justice saying there’s nothing to fear from the goverment, so there’s no need for guns. The same people who protest cops hunting minorities for sport want the cops to be the only people armed. They decry the police state but march for its creation.
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I couldn't wrap my head around the folks that really got behind BLM and the protests associated with it, but are also big gun control advocates.

In their view, police departments generally speaking are institutionally racist organizations that cannot be trusted, but at the same time only cops should be allowed have guns.
 
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05_never_again said:
I couldn't wrap my head around the folks that really got behind BLM and the protests associated with it, but are also big gun control advocates.

In their view, police departments generally speaking are institutionally racist organizations that cannot be trusted, but at the same time only cops should be allowed have guns.
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The cops enjoy shooting your people for no reason, but you trust them to protect you when you’re unarmed and a criminal has a gun? Won’t they just ignore you or pitch in on the shooting? It’s insanity.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
The cops enjoy shooting your people for no reason, but you trust them to protect you when you’re unarmed and a criminal has a gun? Won’t they just ignore you or pitch in on the shooting? It’s insanity.
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Many leftists positions are contradictory. It's also popular decry things like outsourcing and see it as "unfettered capitalism" that hurts the working man, but at the same time want open borders (or something close to it). The fact that open borders advocates and unions are under the same "tent" in the Democratic Party is hilarious to me. Those two interest groups have diametrically opposed interests, but that doesn't seem to stop them from being in bed together.

It's because of something I alluded to earlier in this thread - they don't have a set of first principles that they derive their positions on specific issues from. Their political views are a mishmash of opinion on specific issues, typically based off of whichever entity in question is the most "oppressed" or "least privileged." It leads to wildly contradictory and illogical opinions as you move from one topic of conversation to the next.
 
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05_never_again said:
Many leftists positions are contradictory. It's also popular decry things like outsourcing and see it as "unfettered capitalism" that hurts the working man, but at the same time want open borders (or something close to it). The fact that open borders advocates and unions are under the same "tent" in the Democratic Party is hilarious to me. Those two interest groups have diametrically opposed interests, but that doesn't seem to stop them from being in bed together.

It's because of something I alluded to earlier in this thread - they don't have a set of first principles that they derive their positions on specific issues from. Their political views are a mishmash of opinion on specific issues, typically based off of whichever entity in question is the most "oppressed" or "least privileged." It leads to wildly contradictory and illogical opinions as you move from one topic of conversation to the next.
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Yes, I love the living wage vs. unlimited illegal immigration conundrum. You have to pick one, because they work against each other.
 
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