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McDad said:
Do those politically conservative Yankees of which you reference understand what a Constitutional right is versus what a need is?
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Probably not. Again, they aren't coming to their conclusions based on some sort of logical analysis of gun statistics or Constitutional interpretation. Where you are in the gun debate is mostly a function of what culture you are a part of, and what you are used to.

If you grew up around guns, or if your dad/grandfather/uncle hunted, etc., you are going to have a different feeling about guns than the urbanite kid whose only exposure to guns is hearing about them being used to commit a crime in a news report. You can't help but be shaped by your experiences. I didn't grow up in a family of hunters, but most people in my family owned guns. You grow up thinking that guns are something to be respected and careful with, not afraid of, and that there are legitimate uses for them. You also understand that you have a right to own one. In later life, those experiences don't really lend themselves to developing an opinion that guns should be banned. If I grew up in NYC, I can almost guarantee you that my opinion would probably be different.

You "decide" what opinion you have then look for evidence to support your opinion, whatever it is. So sure, a gun grabber can concede that the Constitution does guarantee a right to own firearms, but it can/should be heavily regulated (e.g., certain types of guns can be banned, only allowed to own a certain number of guns, there should be a national database of who owns guns because we do this with cars, etc.).
 
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05_never_again said:
Probably not. Again, they aren't coming to their conclusions based on some sort of logical analysis of gun statistics or Constitutional interpretation. Where you are in the gun debate is mostly a function of what culture you are a part of, and what you are used to.

If you grew up around guns, or if your dad/grandfather/uncle hunted, etc., you are going to have a different feeling about guns than the urbanite kid whose only exposure to guns is hearing about them being used to commit a crime in a news report. You can't help but be shaped by your experiences. I didn't grow up in a family of hunters, but most people in my family owned guns. You grow up thinking that guns are something to be respected and careful with, not afraid of, and that there are legitimate uses for them. You also understand that you have a right to own one. In later life, those experiences don't really lend themselves to developing an opinion that guns should be banned. If I grew up in NYC, I can almost guarantee you that my opinion would probably be different.

You "decide" what opinion you have then look for evidence to support your opinion, whatever it is. So sure, a gun grabber can concede that the Constitution does guarantee a right to own firearms, but it can/should be heavily regulated (e.g., certain types of guns can be banned, only allowed to own a certain number of guns, there should be a national database of who owns guns because we do this with cars, etc.).
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I comprehend your anecdotes. Even mostly agree. Find it a bit disheartening those who identity as a proponent of smaller government (in an idealistic view on my part) would make the statements you offered.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Yes, insane people exist. I'm not terribly insane though, sorry.

Understand that, yes, the type of weapon IS important when in the hands of an insane killer who wants to commit mass murder. Not a targeted killing or revenge killing, but mass, random killing. They choose assault style rifles because they can inflict the most amount of damage in the shortest period of time, barring bombs.
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McDad said:
I comprehend your anecdotes. Even mostly agree. Find it a bit disheartening those who identity as a proponent of smaller government (in an idealistic view on my part) would make the statements you offered.
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It's rare to find somebody that derives most or all of their political opinions from a set of core or first principles, and then they apply those principles to develop positions on individual issues.

Most people's political views are a mishmash of positions on individual issues, oftentimes contradicting with one another, and influenced mostly by their own personal experiences or culture. Just like the two major parties, honestly.
 
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05_never_again said:
While I'm on your side of the argument, the car analogy isn't the best.

A gun is a tool designed to hit a target, whether it be a target at the range, an animal, a human being...whatever. A car isn't designed to hit and destroy something.
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How about if the driver was drunk?
 
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05_never_again said:
Ultimately where you stand on the gun debate is a function of where you are culturally, not because you've read the research and come to some sort of logical conclusion that guns increase violence, or decrease violence, or whatever.

I know people who are politically conservative but live "up north" in mostly urban areas. To a person, I've heard them say statements like "I just don't get why anybody needs a gun." I also know politically liberal people who live in rural areas (rural Oregon) but love guns and are skeptical about gun control efforts. The culture that they grew up/live in has shaped their views about guns, not any sort of analysis of the facts.
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05_never_again said:
It's rare to find somebody that derives most or all of their political opinions from a set of core or first principles, and then they apply those principles to develop positions on individual issues.

Most people's political views are a mishmash of positions on individual issues, oftentimes contradicting with one another, and influenced mostly by their own personal experi7ences or culture. Just like the two major parties, honestly.
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I am a rare person, then. It's really tough being this amazing, too.
 
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05_never_again said:
At least JPS is honest about his argument. His argument isn't derived from some disingenuous, tortured, or unreasonable reading of the Second Amendment. He just says to get rid of it, which could be done by a Constitutional process.
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Agreed. It is the only way to earnestly go about this Constitutionally.
 
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Anything short of a straight up 2a repeal is a waste of time to actually impact the number of legal firearms in circulation. However I feel pretty confident no Dim actually wants to commit political suicide.

The gun advocates are fairly quiet in this since most expect these people to cry themselves out and move on. If an actual 2a repeal gets tabled all the gloves will come off.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Anything short of a straight up 2a repeal is a waste of time to actually impact the number of legal firearms in circulation. However I feel pretty confident no Dim actually wants to commit political suicide.

The gun advocates are fairly quiet in this since most expect these people to cry themselves out and move on. If an actual 2a repeal gets tabled all the gloves will come off.
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Most people have pretty much compromised and turned our head on a lot of things that we disagree with. I draw my own personal line in the sand when it pertains to 2A.

I will turn into a single issue voter if need be. Hell, I'll even march around with a blatant lie on cardboard.
 
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luthervol said:
This was a pretty cut and dried issue. Creating an equilateral triangle with a compass and a straight edge. Not a lot of room for opinion and interpretation.

Continually refusing to accept a recognizable and widely accepted fact is also a sign of mental illness.
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Luther, you are absolutely correct on this one. Too bad you don't believe it.
 
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luthervol said:
That was intended to be humorous, not something to set you off.

You didn't have to be an expert to know that slavery was wrong. There were many more knowledgeable about the history of slavery, the economic impact of slavery, past rules, laws and writings by the founding fathers about slavery; who supported slavery...but they were still wrong and the guy who didn't know so much was still right.

Wisdom, reasoning, and innate understanding often outweigh knowledge of facts. It seems that knowledge of facts can occasionally even overshadow the other three.....as in your case.
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You have none of the 4 yet still continue as if you have some sort of divine inspiration. Your shtick is wearing thin, come up with some new material.
 
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luthervol said:
And there would be no need for a well armed militia. Utopia would be swell.
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I see, you are moving the goalposts again......I guess if there had never been a Big Bang we wouldn't have to worry about anything either. Slavery would have burned itself out by the way. I was 10 - 15 years from being gone in this country. I bet you are one of the "the Civil War was about Slavery" crowd aren't you?
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
I see, you are moving the goalposts again......I guess if there had never been a Big Bang we wouldn't have to worry about anything either. Slavery would have burned itself out by the way. I was 10 - 15 years from being gone in this country. I bet you are one of the "the Civil War was about Slavery" crowd aren't you?
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That would be Hogg you want to talk with. Try not to deflect everything back on me. I can accept the things I deserve, but having other people's comments (often times people you side with) twisted into something negative on me gets tiresome.
 
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luthervol said:
That would be Hogg you want to talk with. Try not to deflect everything back on me. I can accept the things I deserve, but having other people's comments (often times people you side with) twisted into something negative on me gets tiresome.
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Yet you are still here.

A reasonable and rational person in your situation would leave. But I'll still wager that you are a paid troll.
 
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