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OuterBanksVol said:
LMAO. Hog, my post was 100% cut and paste. Channel your inner anger elsewhere. I would ask you to actually state what you disagree with, but that wouldn't jibe with your rhetoric mantras.
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When your copy and paste includes a quote from a 25 year old that is ignorant about firearms your entire post becomes ignorant.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Your troll game in this thread is incredibly weak.

Your knowledge of the subject at hand is incredibly weak. And trying to continue in a discussion you are admittedly ignorant of is weak. But you keep proving your ignorance (along with others) day in and day out by continuing to post day in and day out about a subject you are not even inclined enough to study. The absolute definition of troll.

Perhaps one day you'll grow up and see such actions are childish.
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That was intended to be humorous, not something to set you off.

You didn't have to be an expert to know that slavery was wrong. There were many more knowledgeable about the history of slavery, the economic impact of slavery, past rules, laws and writings by the founding fathers about slavery; who supported slavery...but they were still wrong and the guy who didn't know so much was still right.

Wisdom, reasoning, and innate understanding often outweigh knowledge of facts. It seems that knowledge of facts can occasionally even overshadow the other three.....as in your case.
 
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luthervol said:
That was intended to be humorous, not something to set you off.

You didn't have to be an expert to know that slavery was wrong. There were many more knowledgeable about the history of slavery, the economic impact of slavery, past rules, laws and writings by the founding fathers about slavery; who supported slavery...but they were still wrong and the guy who didn't know so much was still right.

Wisdom, reasoning, and innate understanding often outweigh knowledge of facts. It seems that knowledge of facts can occasionally even overshadow the other three.....as in your case.
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I love how you continually try to include the slavery discussion with the Second Amendment.

Of course, forgetting gun control advocates wanted to keep firearms out of the hands of current and former slaves. Lord only knows what might have happened with an armed slave population.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I love how you continually try to include the slavery discussion with the Second Amendment.

Of course, forgetting gun control advocates wanted to keep firearms out of the hands of current and former slaves. Lord only knows what might have happened with an armed slave population.
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Did I miss where the right to own slaves was in the constitution?
 
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luthervol said:
That was intended to be humorous, not something to set you off.

You didn't have to be an expert to know that slavery was wrong. There were many more knowledgeable about the history of slavery, the economic impact of slavery, past rules, laws and writings by the founding fathers about slavery; who supported slavery...but they were still wrong and the guy who didn't know so much was still right.

Wisdom, reasoning, and innate understanding often outweigh knowledge of facts. It seems that knowledge of facts can occasionally even overshadow the other three.....as in your case.
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Just imagine that if people from the beginning of time respected the individual, their rights and freedoms more than that of "societal norms". There would have never been slavery.
 
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hog88 said:
Just imagine that if people from the beginning of time respected the individual, their rights and freedoms more than that of "societal norms". There would have never been slavery.
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And there would be no need for a well armed militia. Utopia would be swell.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
AP-NORC Poll: Support soars for stricter gun control laws

"...More than 8 in 10 Americans favor a federal law preventing mentally ill people from purchasing guns, along with a federal law expanding background check requirements to include gun shows and private sales.

Nearly 8 in 10 favor allowing courts to prevent people from owning guns if considered a danger to themselves or others, even if they have not been convicted of a crime. And 7 in 10 favor a nationwide ban on devices known as “bump stocks” that allow semi-automatic guns to function like automatic guns.

Nearly 6 in 10 favor a nationwide ban on AR-15-style rifles.

“They should take them off the market. Too much power right there,” 25-year-old Sedrick Clark, of St. Louis Missouri, said of AR-15s."

:good!:
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I don't know how to tell you this, but most all sales at gun shows are done by dealers, and they do a background check at the gun show. There are a few hobbyists that sell there that aren't required to do so.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
AP-NORC Poll: Support soars for stricter gun control laws

"...More than 8 in 10 Americans favor a federal law preventing mentally ill people from purchasing guns, along with a federal law expanding background check requirements to include gun shows and private sales.

Nearly 8 in 10 favor allowing courts to prevent people from owning guns if considered a danger to themselves or others, even if they have not been convicted of a crime. And 7 in 10 favor a nationwide ban on devices known as “bump stocks” that allow semi-automatic guns to function like automatic guns.

Nearly 6 in 10 favor a nationwide ban on AR-15-style rifles.

“They should take them off the market. Too much power right there,” 25-year-old Sedrick Clark, of St. Louis Missouri, said of AR-15s."

:good!:
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You should take this poll and go door to door confiscating. Be the change you wanna see in the world, OBV.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
So, if your child were murdered by a nutball with an AR15, you're good with that, since hey, there were other more probable causes of death that would potentially kill him/her in the future anyway?

You enjoy leisurely rounds of golf during thunderstorms, too?

Insanity.
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So if your child died in a car wreck on the way to school you’d want to ban cars?

Or maybe you’d accept that this is not a risk free world and things happen. This idea that you can legislate bad things away is asinine.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I don't know how to tell you this, but most all sales at gun shows are done by dealers, and they do a background check at the gun show. There are a few hobbyists that sell there that aren't required to do so.
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And there’s not a lot of crimes being committed with collectible guns.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
So if your child died in a car wreck on the way to school you’d want to ban cars?

Or maybe you’d accept that this is not a risk free world and things happen. This idea that you can legislate bad things away is asinine.
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While I'm on your side of the argument, the car analogy isn't the best.

A gun is a tool designed to hit a target, whether it be a target at the range, an animal, a human being...whatever. A car isn't designed to hit and destroy something.
 
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Ultimately where you stand on the gun debate is a function of where you are culturally, not because you've read the research and come to some sort of logical conclusion that guns increase violence, or decrease violence, or whatever.

I know people who are politically conservative but live "up north" in mostly urban areas. To a person, I've heard them say statements like "I just don't get why anybody needs a gun." I also know politically liberal people who live in rural areas (rural Oregon) but love guns and are skeptical about gun control efforts. The culture that they grew up/live in has shaped their views about guns, not any sort of analysis of the facts.
 
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05_never_again said:
Ultimately where you stand on the gun debate is a function of where you are culturally, not because you've read the research and come to some sort of logical conclusion that guns increase violence, or decrease violence, or whatever.

I know people who are politically conservative but live "up north" in mostly urban areas. To a person, I've heard them say statements like "I just don't get why anybody needs a gun." I also know politically liberal people who live in rural areas (rural Oregon) but love guns and are skeptical about gun control efforts. The culture that they grew up/live in has shaped their views about guns, not any sort of analysis of the facts.
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Great post.
 
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05_never_again said:
While I'm on your side of the argument, the car analogy isn't the best.

A gun is a tool designed to hit a target, whether it be a target at the range, an animal, a human being...whatever. A car isn't designed to hit and destroy something.
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His point was that your tune would change if your kid was killed by a gun. There are 300 million plus guns in this country and an incredibly small percentage of them are used for criminal purposes. Of that number an even smaller percentage used are rifles. A rational person would ultimately accept that this was an extremely unlikely event that happened to affect them. A car accident would be along those lines. Banning either instrument in response to a rare occurrence would be an emotional overreaction.
 
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05_never_again said:
Ultimately where you stand on the gun debate is a function of where you are culturally, not because you've read the research and come to some sort of logical conclusion that guns increase violence, or decrease violence, or whatever.

I know people who are politically conservative but live "up north" in mostly urban areas. To a person, I've heard them say statements like "I just don't get why anybody needs a gun." I also know politically liberal people who live in rural areas (rural Oregon) but love guns and are skeptical about gun control efforts. The culture that they grew up/live in has shaped their views about guns, not any sort of analysis of the facts.
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Somewhat.

Add in the idea that "you dont need that" because a very small few intend harm with it and you re painting an idea easy to stand against.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
His point was that your tune would change if your kid was killed by a gun. There are 300 million plus guns in this country and an incredibly small percentage of them are used for criminal purposes. Of that number an even smaller percentage used are rifles. A rational person would ultimately accept that this was an extremely unlikely event that happened to affect them. A car accident would be along those lines. Banning either instrument in response to a rare occurrence would be an emotional overreaction.
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I get what his point was. My point is that the "guns are just a tool, like anything else" or "cars kill people too; do you want to ban cars?" retorts aren't the most convincing. A car is not designed to hit/destroy a target. Therefore you aren't likely to change your tune about cars based on someone dying in a car crash. Guns were created for that express purpose.
 
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05_never_again said:
Ultimately where you stand on the gun debate is a function of where you are culturally, not because you've read the research and come to some sort of logical conclusion that guns increase violence, or decrease violence, or whatever.

I know people who are politically conservative but live "up north" in mostly urban areas. To a person, I've heard them say statements like "I just don't get why anybody needs a gun." I also know politically liberal people who live in rural areas (rural Oregon) but love guns and are skeptical about gun control efforts. The culture that they grew up/live in has shaped their views about guns, not any sort of analysis of the facts.
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Do those politically conservative Yankees of which you reference understand what a Constitutional right is versus what a need is?
 
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05_never_again said:
I get what his point was. My point is that the "guns are just a tool, like anything else" or "cars kill people too; do you want to ban cars?" retorts aren't the most convincing. A car is not designed to hit/destroy a target. Therefore you aren't likely to change your tune about cars based on someone dying in a car crash. Guns were created for that express purpose.
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This has nothing to do with the purpose of either implement. It has to do with overreacting to what in the big scheme of things is a statistically insignificant incident.
 
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