To Protect and to Serve II

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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Answer your phone. Hundreds of thousands of people are behind bars for non-violent victimless crimes. Did you know the US leads the world in incarceration rates?
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Didn't realize they were gassing them. Did they break the law? Again if you don't like the laws, do something about them.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Sorry:

Would you judge a man for killing kids if it were his job
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Absolutely. But they're not doing that. They are enforcing laws that were put in place by representatives of the people. If you don't agree with the lawws, work to change them. Quit blaming the people charged with enforcing them.
 
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Most people believe politicians are evil and lawyers are liars.

Yet the rules evil people and liars come up with should always be followed.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Absolutely. But they're not doing that. They are enforcing laws that were put in place by representatives of the people. If you don't agree with the lawws, work to change them. Quit blaming the people charged with enforcing them.
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Do you agree killing kids is wrong even if it’s your job?

The natural follows up to that how immoral does an act have to be before the “its my job defense” becomes invalid?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Most people believe politicians are evil and lawyers are liars.

Yet the rules evil people and liars come up with should always be followed.
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So you've done nothing to change the laws? I'm not saying there are not bad laws. I'm saying quit blaming the ones who's job it is to enforce them. How long will you be employed if you don't do as your employer charges you to do?
 
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So are you guys complaining about the LEOs enforcing the laws actually asking them to just blindly ignore the law. Seriously you’re putting the LEOs in a “damned if I do damned if I don’t” position.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Do you agree killing kids is wrong even if it’s your job?

The natural follows up to that how immoral does an act have to be before the “its my job defense” becomes invalid?
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Morality is different for different people. I can turn that around, if someone kills your child, your wife, sister, mother, father etc.. should the cops arrest the one who did it?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
So you've done nothing to change the laws? I'm not saying there are not bad laws. I'm saying quit blaming the ones who's job it is to enforce them. How long will you be employed if you don't do as your employer charges you to do?
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I have actually. I’ve worked with the state libertarian party regarding both marijuana and becoming a right to carry state.

Do you know who we went against both times? Lobbyist from the police unions
 
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Vol8188 said:
Do you agree killing kids is wrong even if it’s your job?

The natural follows up to that how immoral does an act have to be before the “its my job defense” becomes invalid?
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you guys are constantly overlooking that no one is saying cops are blameless if an innocent dies or gets hurt. I think everyone here says they should face the same justice the rest of us do. Do they? No, but that's reality and no fault of the good ones.

you guys are comparing Greywolf and others to the enforcers of PolPot right after he gets done saying he lets small stuff slide.

you need a boogeyman to back up your irrational fear (beyond the rational) of the government. with out a day to day face to blame your cause loses a lot of value so you paint with your broadest brush possible.

its the same as comparing you AnCAP people (or whatever non flag you fly under) to full blown Anarchists actively burning crap down.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Morality is different for different people. I can turn that around, if someone kills your child, your wife, sister, mother, father etc.. should the cops arrest the one who did it?
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So you consider it morally acceptable that lock someone in a cage for doing something you don’t like, even if it harms no one else(drugs for example)?

And yes it is subjective. The only objective thing 99.9% of people can agree on is that you should never harm another person. So laws should only deal with that. Anything outside of that is you attempting to legislate your opinion on others.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I have actually. I’ve worked with the state libertarian party regarding both marijuana and becoming a right to carry state.

Do you know who we went against both times? Lobbyist from the police unions
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You get no argument from me that our system is broken. Dealing with dirty politics right now in Know county local. There are other ways to get laws changed than just trying to get your people elected.

My point is it's unfair for you to blame policemen for doing their jobs.
 
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Vol8188 said:
So you consider it morally acceptable that lock someone in a cage for doing something you don’t like, even if it harms no one else(drugs for example)?

And yes it is subjective. The only objective thing 99.9% of people can agree on is that you should never harm another person. So laws should only deal with that. Anything outside of that is you attempting to legislate your opinion on others.
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You answered your first question with your second answer. Just because your morality says it's wrong doesn't mean it's wrong. You're applying your morality to the laws. If I said I thought murder was ok and should not be prosecuted, I'm sure you would not be ok with murder being legal. I'm a libertarian as well. I believe similar to you about freedom.
 
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LouderVol said:
you guys are constantly overlooking that no one is saying cops are blameless if an innocent dies or gets hurt. I think everyone here says they should face the same justice the rest of us do. Do they? No, but that's reality and no fault of the good ones.

you guys are comparing Greywolf and others to the enforcers of PolPot right after he gets done saying he lets small stuff slide.

you need a boogeyman to back up your irrational fear (beyond the rational) of the government. with out a day to day face to blame your cause loses a lot of value so you paint with your broadest brush possible.

its the same as comparing you AnCAP people (or whatever non flag you fly under) to full blown Anarchists actively burning crap down.
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Considering government killed 262 million people in the 20th century alone, I’d say that’s hardly irrational. Google democide.

As I stated above, cops give the politicians power by enforcing their arbitrary commands and demands otherwise known as laws. If cops simply protected life and property, I’d have no problem. We all know that’s not the case...
I have stated, many times, that some good people are unfortunately cops. However there are no good cops. It’s the profession itself that is the problem.
 
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