To Protect and to Serve II

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MercyPercy said:
I vehemently disagree with the idea of making petty traffic stops to "fish" for drugs or anything else.
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Well, we tried the "If you're a wanted person or a drug dealer please turn yourself in" campaign, but that just didn't seem to produce the numbers that good, old-fashioned street work did, so.....
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Well, we tried the "If you're a wanted person or a drug dealer please turn yourself in" campaign, but that just didn't seem to produce the numbers that good, old-fashioned street work did, so.....
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How about the: drug dealers are treated as all other community businessmen campaign?
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
I'm either anti-union or pro-union, depending on the union and the occupation. In a perfect world, we have no need for unions. But alas...

Police unions don't care about anything other than their members. There are good ones, and there are bad ones. I'll leave that there. There are no police unions here, but I do belong to the PBA. Why? If I'm in a shooting, the County Attorney will protect the county. I need someone on my side, so...PBA.

Ridiculous laws, traffic stops, revenue, bogus citations. Now you're in my wheelhouse. So I'll pick..say...misdemeanor marijuana possession. If I trip over it and you know how to behave, odds are I dump it and send you on your way. That's just me. It's a $770 ticket here, so revenue is not foremost on my mind. Ticket or not, I get paid the same.

Traffic laws. My specialty. I run a lot of traffic. On I-95, I generally ignore anything less than 15 over. But at 15+, I make the stop, and you can talk your way into a ticket, or talk your way out. Anything over 90, it had better be a good story. About half of the accidents I work involve someone going too fast for the prevailing conditions, and my wife drives those same roads, so I give you a cushion, and then I give you a ticket. Not about revenue, about you showing some respect for every other motorist out there.

I make a lot of stops. You give me PC, I make the stop. I have made a lot of arrests for outstanding warrants (including Murder) off of a simple traffic stop. But I almost never get out of the car with my ticket book in hand. Sometimes...you got me here...I'm just shaking the tree to see what falls out. But again, for me it's never about revenue.

I'll put it to you like this: Let's say you're on your way to DisneyWorld with your family. You've been on the road for 8-10 hours. The kids are restless; your wife needs to pee; and you are just about out of good will towards your fellow man. You go by me in my hiding spot at 88. I make the stop. Now, on top of everything else, you're pissed off. I generally pick up on that right away. I ask you a few questions, you answer honestly, and then I walk back to my vehicle. While you get the "I told you to slow down" speech from your spouse.

I see it all the time. I feel your pain.

If it's me, you get a warning, provided that you don't ask me if there's a Dunkin Donuts nearby.

But if you're drunk, or wanted, you go to jail. Where you belong. Weed? If it's traveling herb, I give you the choice. Dump it and move on, or seize it and write the ticket. I'm still waiting for the first person to take "Option B". Over an ounce? You just tied my hands. Sorry.

I can afford to be honest here. If my Sheriff fires me, I still have my full-time job. Personally, I don't think he does, or would, have an issue with anything I've said here.

I make an effort to not get anything on my badge that Brasso won't get off. That has served me well over the years. I'm also mindful of the old saying that "There's no situation that a good cop can't make worse."

Oh...and Go Vols.
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Why is that? No sense of humor? :)
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
But, but, they let the guy go if he acts correctly and decides to let the cop throw away his property....
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You skipped right over the part where anyone with a double-digit IQ would know to not (a) smoke weed in your car while you're traveling in such a manner or at a speed that is guaranteed to get you pulled over, or (b) leave your bowl or bag right there where I can't help but see it when I walk up.


Until it's legalized here, it's illegal to possess. So I let you throw it out, or I bag it as evidence. Like I said, still waiting on the first one to choose the second option.


Now you've got me worried that someone eventually will.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
You skipped right over the part where anyone with a double-digit IQ would know to not (a) smoke weed in your car while you're traveling in such a manner or at a speed that is guaranteed to get you pulled over, or (b) leave your bowl or bag right there where I can't help but see it when I walk up.


Until it's legalized here, it's illegal to possess. So I let you throw it out, or I bag it as evidence. Like I said, still waiting on the first one to choose the second option.


Now you've got me worried that someone eventually will.
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And this makes you a good cop? How?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
And this makes you a good cop? How?
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I don't think I ever said I was "good", although I seem to have this uncanny knack (pronounced "curse") for tripping over people who are wanted for prior offenses. Yep, you guessed it...on traffic stops.


I do think I'm fair. But I don't base my actions on what I think is "good", I base them on the laws in force, the information or evidence at hand, the oath I took, and my best judgment as to what the right course of action is. I don't get it right all the time, but I have a pretty solid batting average.


If I was to be "good" at something, I'd rather it be golf or a split-finger fastball in the mid-90's. Those pay a lot more.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Well, we tried the "If you're a wanted person or a drug dealer please turn yourself in" campaign, but that just didn't seem to produce the numbers that good, old-fashioned street work did, so.....
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So shake down regular folks hoping by chance you'll find a real bad guy. I'm not impressed.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
I don't think I ever said I was "good", although I seem to have this uncanny knack (pronounced "curse") for tripping over people who are wanted for prior offenses. Yep, you guessed it...on traffic stops.


I do think I'm fair. But I don't base my actions on what I think is "good", I base them on the laws in force, the information or evidence at hand, the oath I took, and my best judgment as to what the right course of action is. I don't get it right all the time, but I have a pretty solid batting average.


If I was to be "good" at something, I'd rather it be golf or a split-finger fastball in the mid-90's. Those pay a lot more.
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Some people blame the cop when their real beef is with the laws.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Some people blame the cop when their real beef is with the laws.
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The Nazi soldiers were just following orders too.

Now before everyone screeches that I'm comparing our police to Nazis.. the point of the exercise is not in those specifics, it's the idea that law enforcement takes no responsibility for executing the law. I disagree, though I do agree that unjust laws first and foremost need to be addressed.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Some people blame the cop when their real beef is with the laws.
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Name your bad actor throughout history, Hitler, Stalin, pol pot, they’d never have achieved the levels of death and destruction absent law enforcers.


Order followers are the most disgusting people on the face of the planet. They give the bad actor a means to achieve their goals.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Name your bad actor throughout history, Hitler, Stalin, pol pot, they’d never have achieved the levels of death and destruction absent law enforcers.


Order followers are the most disgusting people on the face of the planet. They give the bad actor a means to achieve their goals.
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So you are comparing our police to those?
 
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#4,948
Vol8188 said:
You mean the laws the police unions keep on the books?
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Whatever, wherever, laws are laws. If you don't like them get them changed. How many of you cop haters have actually worked to get the laws you despise changed. If you haven't, you don't have the right to complain.
 
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#4,950
InVOLuntary said:
Whatever, wherever, laws are laws. If you don't like them get them changed. How many of you cop haters have actually worked to get the laws you despise changed. If you haven't, you don't have the right to complain.
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Do you wouldn’t judge a man who killed children if it were his job?
 
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