Kahlil declares for draft

#501
#501
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Yall just had unrealistic expectations for him from a production standpoint. I remember in 2015 when we signed him that Danny Shelton (a nose tackle from Washington) was entering the draft. And I compared Kahlil to him. I never expected Kahlil to be a high sack or TFL type of player. I expected him to be a dominant 1-technique. Now he was a solid to good 1-technique, but he wasn't dominant.

Yall just made the mistake of assuming he was a type of defensive lineman his body simply didn't support.
Click to expand...

Jesus dude are you freaking serious? KMack was being hyped as a generational type of player. He freaking dominated at the opening. According to 247, he was the #3 overall player and the #2 DT.

Any team that signs a player like that expects him to be dominant. Yet again, you show you have zero clue.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 4 people
#502
#502
butchna said:
I remember Richard Cooper. He played both ways in college. This McKenzie OL is a VN pipe dream. He’ll eventually play well at NT...perfectly built for it. He’s never been a penetrating pass rushing DT type. Occupy blockers and plug running lanes. Nice way to make a living.
Click to expand...

Well, sir...nothing Kahlil has done so far on the field at Tennessee is convincing evidence that he'll "...eventually play well at NT...in the NFL".

Yes--I agree with you that he has the perfect build for it...
But he's NEVER once demonstrated an ability to occupy blockers and plug up running lanes at UT.

He is SLOW off the ball, plays high, and never demonstrated the ability to plug holes and stand his ground against SEC lineman. As I said before--he looks like Tarzan, but plays like Jane...

It's a pipe dream, IMO, to think that he will make it in the NFL at NT and do well. And it's just my opinion that he will be converted to an OL in order to have a snowball's chance of making it in the NFL. After all--that's his family NFL heritage....
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#504
#504
KBVol said:
Spot on of KMac based on what we saw of him at Tennessee.

Hopefully he gets with the right organization, he commits himself to improving his weaknesses and he has a good, productive nfl career.
Click to expand...

That is spot on
 
#505
#505
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Yall just had unrealistic expectations for him from a production standpoint. I remember in 2015 when we signed him that Danny Shelton (a nose tackle from Washington) was entering the draft. And I compared Kahlil to him. I never expected Kahlil to be a high sack or TFL type of player. I expected him to be a dominant 1-technique. Now he was a solid to good 1-technique, but he wasn't dominant.

Yall just made the mistake of assuming he was a type of defensive lineman his body simply didn't support.
Click to expand...

Production? Very, very little at UT. For such a large man, he certainly hid well when he was healthy. Look, bottom line is that the NFL is a business. If I'm a GM, I have plenty of guys who have produced at the college level to choose from. If a team wants to take a leap of faith on a guy like Mac, more power to 'em. I wouldn't draft him. FA all the way if I were making the decision.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#507
#507
CAVPUT said:
Production? Very, very little at UT. For such a large man, he certainly hid well when he was healthy. Look, bottom line is that the NFL is a business. If I'm a GM, I have plenty of guys who have produced at the college level to choose from. If a team wants to take a leap of faith on a guy like Mac, more power to 'em. I wouldn't draft him. FA all the way if I were making the decision.
Click to expand...

Go and look up Daron Payne's stats last season. 0 and 1-techniques don't put up much in terms of box score stats.

Now I'm not trying to suggest Kahlil is as good as Da'Ron Payne. I currently have Payne rated as a top 15 prospect in the 2018 NFL Draft while I have Kahlil rated as a 2nd round pick. But nonetheless they play similar positions and if you looked at the box scores from last season you wouldn't see a big difference. On tape Payne definitely flashed more which is why I have him rated higher. But from a production standpoint he was not overly impressive either.

And that is because 0-techniques in the 3-4 or 1-techniques in the 4-3 don't accumulate much in terms of box score stats because their job is to primarily take on blockers and protect gaps so that their teammates can run free and make plays.

You guys simply don't know enough about football to properly evaluate KMac's time here at Tennessee. Y'all just bought into the recruiting hype and thought he would come in here and get 10 sacks per year when that isn't his game at all.
 
#509
#509
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Now I'm not trying to suggest Kahlil is as good as Da'Ron Payne. I currently have Payne rated as a top 15 prospect in the 2018 NFL Draft while I have Kahlil rated as a 2nd round pick. But nonetheless they play similar positions and if you looked at the box scores from last season you wouldn't see a big difference.
Click to expand...

Or, you could watch the film (as you claim to do) and actually see Payne doing his job as a space eater: forcing double-teams, not allowing an IOL to get to the second level, and letting the LBs make plays. Turn on McKenzie's film, and you'll constantly see interior linemen getting blocks on UT's LBs.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#510
#510
He gone. That is a good thing. Time to move on. Hopefully he will end up doing more than bagging groceries but I doubt it. Since he is from CA, he should go back home and live off the socialist government there while it lasts. And that won't be long. As for his tine at UT; the word "underwhelming" sums it up.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#511
#511
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Go and look up Daron Payne's stats last season. 0 and 1-techniques don't put up much in terms of box score stats.

Now I'm not trying to suggest Kahlil is as good as Da'Ron Payne. I currently have Payne rated as a top 15 prospect in the 2018 NFL Draft while I have Kahlil rated as a 2nd round pick. But nonetheless they play similar positions and if you looked at the box scores from last season you wouldn't see a big difference. On tape Payne definitely flashed more which is why I have him rated higher. But from a production standpoint he was not overly impressive either.

And that is because 0-techniques in the 3-4 or 1-techniques in the 4-3 don't accumulate much in terms of box score stats because their job is to primarily take on blockers and protect gaps so that their teammates can run free and make plays.

You guys simply don't know enough about football to properly evaluate KMac's time here at Tennessee. Y'all just bought into the recruiting hype and thought he would come in here and get 10 sacks per year when that isn't his game at all.
Click to expand...

You currently have him rated as a top 15 draft pick? Who are the other 14 players in your top 15?
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#512
#512
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You guys simply don't know enough about football to properly evaluate KMac's time here at Tennessee. Y'all just bought into the recruiting hype and thought he would come in here and get 10 sacks per year when that isn't his game at all.
Click to expand...

You've openly admitted that you have a hard time evaluating linemen. Stop acting like a tool.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 4 people
#516
#516
bamawriter said:
Or, you could watch the film (as you claim to do) and actually see Payne doing his job as a space eater: forcing double-teams, not allowing an IOL to get to the second level, and letting the LBs make plays. Turn on McKenzie's film, and you'll constantly see interior linemen getting blocks on UT's LBs.
Click to expand...

Not true at all.

And you'll be proven wrong when Kahlil is a starter in the NFL.
 
#518
#518
landscapingvol said:
You currently have him rated as a top 15 draft pick? Who are the other 14 players in your top 15?
Click to expand...

1. RB Saquon Barkley (Penn St.) - NFL comp: Fred Taylor
2. S Derwin James (Florida St.) - NFL comp: Steve Atwater
3. WR Antonio Callaway (Florida) - NFL comp: Sterling Sharpe
4. LB Leighton Vander Esch (Boise St.) - NFL comp: Jack Lambert
5. CB Minkah Fitzpatrick (Alabama) - NFL comp: Rod Woodson
6. DE Bradley Chubb (NC State) - NFL comp: Peter Boulware
7. QB Josh Allen (Wyoming)
8. QB Sam Darnold (USC)
9. G Quenton Nelson (Notre Dame)
10. DT Vita Vea (Washington) - NFL comp: Haloti Ngata
11. DE Arden Key (LSU) - NFL comp: Simeon Rice
12. DT Tim Settle (Virginia Tech) - Cortez Kennedy
13. DE Marcus Davenport (UTSA) - NFL comp: Jason Taylor
14. DT Da'Ron Payne (Alabama)
15. DT Harrison Phillips (Stanford)

All 15 of these players have ELITE talent that have All-Pro potential.

The 2018 NFL Draft has a chance to be one of the best in NFL history.
 
#520
#520
KBVol said:
He could barely start for an awful Tennessee front 7 that badly needed DTs. What makes you think he’ll start for an nfl team....besides your normal delusions?
Click to expand...

I watch the game film after the fact and focus solely on the player in question. I don't just watch the game during the live TV feed and let the emotion of the game cloud my judgement.

Most of you are using the fact we were a lousy defense and the fact you didn't see KMac making splash plays during the live TV feed to base your judgements on him as a player. I doubt many of you were just watching him and his matchup for the entire game like I have done before.

Every time I isolated on just KMac last year I came away impressed. He's very good at his job. You guys just don't pay close enough attention to notice.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#522
#522
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Every time I isolated on just KMac last year I came away impressed. He's very good at his job. You guys just don't pay close enough attention to notice.
Click to expand...

Then you either need to do a better job at picking samples for "isolation," or you need to quit being so easily impressed.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#523
#523
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I watch the game film after the fact and focus solely on the player in question. I don't just watch the game during the live TV feed and let the emotion of the game cloud my judgement.

Most of you are using the fact we were a lousy defense and the fact you didn't see KMac making splash plays during the live TV feed to base your judgements on him as a player. I doubt many of you were just watching him and his matchup for the entire game like I have done before.

Every time I isolated on just KMac last year I came away impressed. He's very good at his job. You guys just don't pay close enough attention to notice.
Click to expand...

How about posting some examples of your assessment? The few times I watched him through the binoculars, he was getting driven backwards, was completely ineffective and contributed to our lousy defense.
 
#524
#524
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I watch the game film after the fact and focus solely on the player in question. I don't just watch the game during the live TV feed and let the emotion of the game cloud my judgement.

Most of you are using the fact we were a lousy defense and the fact you didn't see KMac making splash plays during the live TV feed to base your judgements on him as a player. I doubt many of you were just watching him and his matchup for the entire game like I have done before.

Every time I isolated on just KMac last year I came away impressed. He's very good at his job. You guys just don't pay close enough attention to notice.
Click to expand...

I think you need to expand your film library.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#525
#525
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I watch the game film after the fact and focus solely on the player in question. I don't just watch the game during the live TV feed and let the emotion of the game cloud my judgement.

Most of you are using the fact we were a lousy defense and the fact you didn't see KMac making splash plays during the live TV feed to base your judgements on him as a player. I doubt many of you were just watching him and his matchup for the entire game like I have done before.

Every time I isolated on just KMac last year I came away impressed. He's very good at his job. You guys just don't pay close enough attention to notice.
Click to expand...

Lol. Couldn’t occupy blockers, couldn’t keep blockers off his linebackers, couldn’t play his gaps to stop the run, couldn’t get penetration into the offensive backfield outside of the rare bullrush that led to nothing......and he was virtually allergic to the opposing teams’ quarterbacks. He started only 1 of 20 games he was healthy as a freshman and sophomore for a reason....he just wasn’t very good, despite having an all-time SEC great playing right next to him at DE for 2 of his 3 years. Finally, he anchored one of the worst run defenses in the country and SEC history last year as (finally) a starting DT.

As I said over the weekend, I hope he gets the right opportunity, commits himself to improving his weaknesses and winds up having a long, productive nfl career. He’s a good kid, he’s a Vol, so I hope he figures it out.

There are more than a handful of Vols over the years who were marginal players at best like KMac was at Tennessee, who have gone on to have decent pro careers. I hope KMac is the next to do do, but let’s get it straight.....there’s very little to no reason to believe he will based off how he played in college, no matter how many times you keep erroneously prattling on about him. You just don’t have an eye or any talent for this stuff....everybody knows this given your horrendous track record....except for you.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.
Advertisement





Back
Top