Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

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1972 Grad said:
You can get a semi-auto Saiga 12 gauge with a 20 round drum magazine. I would say you can kill more than a few before you have to reload , and you can reload pretty quickly.
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That’s scary. I’ve only used pump shotguns that hold I think 5 shells. I guess my question is why don’t all the school shooters get that instead? Is it hard to obtain?
 
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volglass said:
Geez, I was talking about number of fatalities, not how lethal one shot is. How many people can be killed with one shotgun without reloading? How many people can be killed with one AR with a factory magazine, not to mention the aftermarket magazines? This is a simple question.

And as for JRE I’ve seen you use the topic de jour to plug in references as if it was your own thoughts many times that I don’t think you have your own ideas
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In a sawed off configuration (maximum dispersal) and 5 shots assuming a crowded luncheon, 10-20. For the price of a good AR, you could get 3 cheap semi-autos. You do the math.
 
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Vol8188 said:
My opinions are the complete opposite of Rogan’s on this issue. Clearly you don’t watch his podcast. Maybe the centrist who liked Bernie Sanders was too far right for you.

The number of people who can be killed is not dependent on capacity. Reloading isn’t difficult nor time consuming. Idk how many rounds your typical shotgun holds. Probably 8-12. But you also have to realize the shotgun is far more likely to kill or injury multiple people at a time. The further away from you they are, the more of them you hit. The closer you are, the more likely they die.
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5 rounds in a hunting configuration without the plug.
 
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Is the FBI on the side of the American people?

After Tnuza Jamal Hassan was stopped from flying to Afghanistan last September, she allegedly told FBI agents that she wanted to join al-Qaida and marry a fighter, and that she might even wear a suicide belt.

She also said she was angry at U.S. military actions overseas and admitted that she tried to encourage others to “join the jihad in fighting,” but she said she had no intention of carrying out an attack on U.S. soil, according to prosecutors. Despite her alleged admissions, she was allowed to go free.

Four months later, the 19-year-old was arrested for allegedly setting small fires on her former college campus in St. Paul in what prosecutors say was a self-proclaimed act of jihad. No one was hurt by the Jan. 17 fires at St. Catherine University, but her case raises questions about why she wasn’t arrested after speaking to the agents months earlier.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Is the FBI on the side of the American people?

After Tnuza Jamal Hassan was stopped from flying to Afghanistan last September, she allegedly told FBI agents that she wanted to join al-Qaida and marry a fighter, and that she might even wear a suicide belt.

She also said she was angry at U.S. military actions overseas and admitted that she tried to encourage others to “join the jihad in fighting,” but she said she had no intention of carrying out an attack on U.S. soil, according to prosecutors. Despite her alleged admissions, she was allowed to go free.

Four months later, the 19-year-old was arrested for allegedly setting small fires on her former college campus in St. Paul in what prosecutors say was a self-proclaimed act of jihad. No one was hurt by the Jan. 17 fires at St. Catherine University, but her case raises questions about why she wasn’t arrested after speaking to the agents months earlier.
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The FBI is not on our side. They’re actively engaged in an attempted coup. They should be abolished along with the CIA, ATF, DEA, and EPA.
 
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volglass said:
Yes. Why are you against the ban of AR firearms? Because you don’t think it would save any lives at all or is there another reason?
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I’m certain it wouldn’t. Everyone who has used an ar to commit mass murder was just as capable of using numerous other weapons.
 
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volglass said:
Or why not require hunting license for purchase? That forces potential buyers to go get education
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99.99% of those purchasing firearms for hunting are doing so for that distinct purpose.

Still doesn’t prevent a nut job from cooking the system- black market (most likely) or go get “educated.”

Solves absolutely nothing.
 
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Squints said:
99.99% of those purchasing firearms for hunting are doing so for that distinct purpose.

Still doesn’t prevent a nut job from cooking the system- black market (most likely) or go get “educated.”

Solves absolutely nothing.
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I’m actually 100% behind the hunter education requirement. While I was grand fathered in I still took it when I was a kid. My dad and older brother made me.

Then they let me go hunting with them but didn’t let me carry during the hunt. First focus on how to conduct yourself in the woods. Clean the weapons after the hunt to learn proper firearm maintenance (lazy bastards...).

Then, FINALLY, when they were sure I wouldn’t shoot them or myself or run off game needlessly I was prompted to journeyman hunter. This was basically my first season in the woods. I’m guessing 10ish or however old you had to be to take the TWRA hunter education course in the mid 70’s?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I’m actually 100% behind the hunter education requirement. While I was grand fathered in I still took it when I was a kid. My dad and older brother made me.

Then they let me go hunting with them but didn’t let me carry during the hunt. First focus on how to conduct yourself in the woods. Clean the weapons after the hunt to learn proper firearm maintenance (lazy bastards...).

Then, FINALLY, when they were sure I wouldn’t shoot them or myself or run off game needlessly I was prompted to journeyman hunter. This was basically my first season in the woods. I’m guessing 10ish or however old you had to be to take the TWRA hunter education course in the mid 70’s?
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I agree. I’m totally for it. But that isn’t my point. My point is that hunter safety is strictly intended for that - hunter safety. It is not a padded room for nut jobs, thus, my comment about utilizing the black market or “education” to be able to purchase. At that point, education solves nothing. It’s a means to achieve an end goal.
 
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Squints said:
I agree. I’m totally for it. But that isn’t my point. My point is that hunter safety is strictly intended for that - hunter safety. It is not a padded room for nut jobs, thus, my comment about utilizing the black market or “education” to be able to purchase. At that point, education solves nothing. It’s a means to achieve an end goal.
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I understood and agree with your message. I just used your point to segue to an example of what I think the right and responsible method of firearm education can be when done right.

I had a couple of friends that complained they had to take the course before we went bird shooting. We do have a one time one season exemption in TX. I told them it’s there for a reason and if I’m gonna be with them in the woods I’d like to know they took it.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Is there an item/type we could choose to ban to lower the amount of mass shootings.
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I meant any alternative at all not just banning firearms. And if there are any alternatives, why not be shouting it from the rooftop and demanding our legislators take action?
 
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Squints said:
I agree. I’m totally for it. But that isn’t my point. My point is that hunter safety is strictly intended for that - hunter safety. It is not a padded room for nut jobs, thus, my comment about utilizing the black market or “education” to be able to purchase. At that point, education solves nothing. It’s a means to achieve an end goal.
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I agree that it wouldn’t solve everything but if it stops one person isn’t it worth it?
 
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