Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

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OuterBanksVol said:
Gun buyback.
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That might affect the law abiding citizens that were never going to shoot anyone unlawfully to begin with. But for people that have bad intentions? They won't be bothered. Or the people that "never owed an AR so there's nothing to sell." Believe it or not there are uses for an AR that are completely unrelated to shooting at a person.

Blew up a bunch of huge ice chunks that he hauled out of his pond. It was really cool. But, again, he doesn't NEED that gun.
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If you want to go the "need" route to determine rights/legality you can include anything in the effort to save lives. We don't "need" cars that have 500hp. We don't "need" to have the capability to go faster than 75mph. We should require breathalyzer locks on all vehicles because we don't "need" the simplicity of turning a key or pushing a button. We don't "need" swimming pools. We don't "need" to have beer/liquor available to the public. There's probably an endless list of things we don't "need" that would save thousands of lives every year.
 
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Mick said:
He has been respectful and shown more class than anyone he has talked with and you want to give him a backhanded insult.
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CW is a lawyer, there is no respect there, simply an effort to stay calm and twist words where he can. I don't trust him anymore than I do LG.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
So you are saying, you have no idea what he is talking about.
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That's exactly how I took it. It was one of those arguments that he knew was lost but he felt the need to get the last word in.

He'll just be the hype man in the rest of this conversation as far as I'm concerned.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Precislet my point. These guns have no purpose in our society outside of the military.
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What is your point? That rifles should be banned? AR-15s are NOT assault rifles. Period. Neither are they classified as machine-class/fully-automatic.

Once you reconcile that, rearrange your argument and try again. If you want to talk retrofitting and bumpstocks, let’s talk about it. I’m entirely for eliminating bumpstocks and the capability of just anyone being able to make weapons “automatic,” fully or otherwise. Get rid of these components today, and I’d have no argument at all.

I have yet to see an acceptable answer to my concerns, and I’d like to hear your thoughts. This is where I’m at and where I believe the attention needs to be focused:

-Mental illness
-Media coverage
-Cultural/societal indoctrination
-LEO/FBI inaction

We often hear of the FBI having been aware, or at least having a blip on their radar, after these horrific events take place. Why? Why are they reluctant to take these threats serious, other than after it’s too late?

Why does the media perpetuate coverage, only to instill deep-seeded mania in someone else (I’m talking about attention seekers, manic depressives, sociopaths, psychopaths, etc.). At times, all that is needed is a trigger, and the media provides a perfect segue for this.

Cultural/societal components, in my opinion, are the most difficult to influence and control, but it needs correcting. Much like ISIS and other terror groups, their allegiance to an ideaology is greater than any warfare can defeat. Yes, we can wipe any terror group off the map, like ISIS, Al Qaeda, and others, but the ideaology doesn’t disappear. In the months/years following, another group is in the process of building an “empire.” Much like with school shootings, how do we influence cultural/ideaological change, and prevent this from occurring?

Mental illness is another can of worms in and of itself. If an individual has documented medical diagnoses of mental disorders and/or medication to control such conditions, our system for legal purchase should evaluate this in determining suitability for ownership. Then, we get into issues with disclosing medical records/conditions, discrimination, etc. It is doable, but the legal hurdles would be formidable.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
I don't own a tank or bazooka either, but they too are instruments of warfare. My buddy gave me a demo of his AR over Christmas break... shot 30 rounds with a bump stock in a matter of seconds. Blew up a bunch of huge ice chunks that he hauled out of his pond. It was really cool. But, again, he doesn't NEED that gun.
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Ah, so you are the self appointed leader of the freeworld now. Your are the one to tell everyone what they need and don't need.

Your ignorance is only eclipsed by your over inflated ego.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
CW is a lawyer, there is no respect there, simply an effort to stay calm and twist words where he can. I don't trust him anymore than I do LG.
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I do love the automatic distrust of all attorneys. My profession is more stringently regulated from an ethical standpoint than almost any other profession.
 
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As has been said before, it has become a societal problem. Less discipline, less family involvement, and a basic lack of respect for human life. Parents and families have to take more responsibility.
I grew up with guns all over my house, never even locked up. I was taught at a young age what they were and what they were for, as well as the fear of God by my parents. One thing is for sure, everyone needs to educate their children and constantly talk to them, monitor them, and be involved.
We also need to return to swift justice. I don’t mean in all cases, but at least when it’s clear cut. If there are witnesses and there’s a confession, it should be over. Hang them immediately. Fast, easy, cheap. Also it’s less time for these people to have their name in the public. It won’t stop everything, but I think it will help some. That goes for all heinous crime, not just mass shootings.
You only need to hang mean bast****, but mean bast**** you need to hang.
 
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CMvol said:
Serious question and this comes from my ignorance of guns. Whenever you go buy a gun isn't there a background check? Can doctors be involved in this process? giving a green light to stores to sell guns to that family (if everyone is stable).
I feel someone should carry out a detailed research on gun violence. There is a research on whether freaking mosquitoes like cheese or not (not kidding). We can at least invest in something that really matters.
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I recently had a knee replaced. I was prescribed an anti-psychotic to take the week prior to help "calm the patient down". I never filled it. I have never failed any type of psych or other examine that would place me in a position to be reported on a background check. I would welcome some sort of medical input in that process if:1) It could be reported anonymously and 2) could be removed at a later date if the person shows mental stability. I am all for it. This would have prevented this kid from buying a gun legally. The issue is how do you keep politics out of it? How do you keep an anti-gun Doctor from saying everyone is crazy and then refusing to ever overturn or re diagnose at a later date. Fix this issue and you fix a lot of these problems.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
CW is a lawyer, there is no respect there, simply an effort to stay calm and twist words where he can. I don't trust him anymore than I do LG.
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Ah, so you are the self appointed leader of the freeworld now. Your are the one to tell everyone what they need and don't need.

Your ignorance is only eclipsed by your over inflated ego.
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This is classic projection.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I think it's cute you and Mick came to the aid of poor defenseless CWV. As if he can't handle himself against a mouth breathing gun toting Neanderthal like myself.
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He is the only one worth talking to here but I still don't trust him. The others are just useless cheerleaders.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
I recently had a knee replaced. I was prescribed an anti-psychotic to take the week prior to help "calm the patient down". I never filled it. I have never failed any type of psych or other examine that would place me in a position to be reported on a background check. I would welcome some sort of medical input in that process if:1) It could be reported anonymously and 2) could be removed at a later date if the person shows mental stability. I am all for it. This would have prevented this kid from buying a gun legally. The issue is how do you keep politics out of it? How do you keep an anti-gun Doctor from saying everyone is crazy and then refusing to ever overturn or re diagnose at a later date. Fix this issue and you fix a lot of these problems.
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I've had two psych evals and surprisingly wasn't flagged in either.

Funny story, during my first the Dr asked "what makes you angry", I answered "it depends on the situation", he asked again "what really sets you off and gets you angry" I answered "someone asking me the same stupid question over and over".
 
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luthervol said:
Do you ever lock the doors of your home. Do you wear a seat belt? Do you ever make wise choices in your diet? Do you support and abide by speed limits? Do you slow down in a school zone?
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Do you have a spare tire in your vehicle? It’s there if you need it, right?
 
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Grand Vol said:
I think it's cute you and Mick came to the aid of poor defenseless CWV. As if he can't handle himself against a mouth breathing gun toting Neanderthal like myself.
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Oh, he is more than capable of making his own case but the mob mentality is what I'm attacking. I think you are more than capable of having a good one on one conversation but often you give into the mob and often incite it.
 
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Mick said:
This is classic projection.
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And you think your arguments aren't? You present nothing more than Hillary and Obama's talking points. You have not presented a SINGLE original thought. Every word out of your mouth is a repeat of what social media has taught you. My beliefs I feel in my gut. I feel the same way about this as I do about paying taxes at a level 3 times as high as the rest of the country. The same way I did about that POS Obama that lied every time he opened his mouth with his teleprompted rhetoric. And you guys just ate it up. Yeah, things need to change. We need to figure out what we have done to our kids that prompts this. All you guys want to do is use this as a political football and further one of the three pillars of liberalism. Political hacks, all of you.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Nice generalizations.

I have no fear of guns. I do fear guns when they are in the wrong hands. I do not understand people that believe that 2A is so sacrosanct that the mentally ill should be able to purchase guns.
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I posted this earlier but it is very much illegal to purchase or knowingly sell a firearm to someone that it is known to have mental issues.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-...session-of-a-firearm-by-the-mentally-ill.aspx

I think the problem is all the issues surrounding implementing who decides/what criteria/etc aspects.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
And you think your arguments aren't? You present nothing more than Hillary and Obama's talking points. You have not presented a SINGLE original thought. Every word out of your mouth is a repeat of what social media has taught you. My beliefs I feel in my gut. I feel the same way about this as I do about paying taxes at a level 3 times as high as the rest of the country. The same way I did about that POS Obama that lied every time he opened his mouth with his teleprompted rhetoric. And you guys just ate it up. Yeah, things need to change. We need to figure out what we have done to our kids that prompts this. All you guys want to do is use this as a political football and further one of the three pillars of liberalism. Political hacks, all of you.
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Hillary and Obama Please. I stopped reading after that. Now you are using displacement .
 
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Mick said:
Oh, he is more than capable of making his own case but the mob mentality is what I'm attacking. I think you are more than capable of having a good one on one conversation but often you give into the mob and often incite it.
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lol

Is that why you rushed in to comment on my post towards him? The "mob" mentality.

His posts are worth 100 of yours.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
I recently had a knee replaced. I was prescribed an anti-psychotic to take the week prior to help "calm the patient down". I never filled it. I have never failed any type of psych or other examine that would place me in a position to be reported on a background check. I would welcome some sort of medical input in that process if:1) It could be reported anonymously and 2) could be removed at a later date if the person shows mental stability. I am all for it. This would have prevented this kid from buying a gun legally. The issue is how do you keep politics out of it? How do you keep an anti-gun Doctor from saying everyone is crazy and then refusing to ever overturn or re-diagnose at a later date. Fix this issue and you fix a lot of these problems.
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First of all, I hope you are feeling better after getting that knee replaced.
I guess like for everything else. Provide doctors with a checklist that they would need to go through in order to tell whether the patient and family is stable or not. Like all medical records, these should not be publicly available and will need to be maintained separately.
 
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