Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

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82_VOL_83 said:
I own several guns that have never nor will they ever (God willing) kill anything but paper targets.
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Mine have only killed one living thing in the last 45 years. I put a possum out of his misery after a car flattened him last year, and he wouldn't die. There was no way he could recover, and my wife didn't want him to suffer any more. Lately, I have killed paper targets, and seriously wounded metal ones.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
I tip my hat to you gun non-control advocates. You win! And, consequently, 17 teenagers in Florida die.

Congratulations!
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I tip my hat to you freedom robbing advocates. 588,000 people died last year from tobacco and alcohol related issues and you do absolutely nothing but ***** about guns.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Mine have only killed one living thing in the last 45 years. I put a possum out of his misery after a car flattened him last year, and he wouldn't die. There was no way he could recover, and my wife didn't want him to suffer any more. Lately, I have killed paper targets, and seriously wounded metal ones.
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I found that my AR 15 is a great way to get the little steel ball out of spray paint cans before I recycle them.
 
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davethevol said:
I wonder what the numbers are. Let’s say 100,000 AR-15’s are sold every year and 10 are used in violent crimes. If that’s the case, then it’s hard to say it’s a gun control problem.
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I'm not counting violent crime as the left does absolutely nothing about the situation in cities like Chicago and Detroit. I am talking about things like Vegas, Theaters, and Schools.
 
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JFreak said:
Haha gotcha. No worries man. Also, some people are saying he had a tac vest. Now of course that can mean a million different things to our media. But even a smallish plate carrier would be tough to fit in a backpack with gun and loaded mags.
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I also saw it reported he had been bringing mags and stashing them near the school in advance. This goes way beyond premeditation.

Don't ask for a link, I've perused plenty of sites today and can't remember.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Doesn't pass the "reasonable belief" test.

We are also not just talking about children here. Shouldn't this same program be implemented for adults?



Now, here's the problem. You place faith in them to determine the right from wrong and would gladly allow them a pass on the 999 times they are wrong. Sorry, but I think there needs to be far stricter criteria for reporting in the first place and not just a "gut feeling."

I don't disagree on the principle if it prohibits one of these mass shootings from occurring. I do disagree on the amount of leeway you seem to be giving to educators.

But again, the system you are proposing is designed for abuse. And again, at what point are the wolf criers ignored and dismissed?



Disagree. Most parents these days don't think their children's poo smells and would defend them to the nth degree.
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And these same liberals will tell you Capital Punishment is wrong because for every 999 who are guilt 1 is innocent and that's OK.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Mine have only killed one living thing in the last 45 years. I put a possum out of his misery after a car flattened him last year, and he wouldn't die. There was no way he could recover, and my wife didn't want him to suffer any more. Lately, I have killed paper targets, and seriously wounded metal ones.
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Mine have only sat in jail in the safe for the last year or so. No time to shoot.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
If someone is harming my family, I am not aiming for the shoulder. I'll go even further. If you are in my house uninvited in the middle of the night, you aren't even getting a warning.
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In KY that is perfectly legal. If you are somewhere you are not supposed to be (i.e. someone's home) you are legal tender.
 
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I am going to have to leave this enjoyable discussion and take my wife to dinner. Hope to be back later. I picked a really good day to come back I guess.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I stand corrected. Your initial point was pointless. Kudos on making the distinction.

Secondly, your point about the timing of the polls is irrelevant because, as I've already stated, the polls I was speaking of were not given in the immediate aftermath of a tragedy.

Lastly, your final point contains an illogical assumption. Namely, that everyone prohibited from buying a gun will find an alternate manner in which to inflict the same damage.

Carry on.
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In typical liberal fashion, no answers! I was right after all.

You’re entirely wrong. I didnt say everyone prohibited would be committing these acts, I said the ones with the intent of doing so would find a way.

Explain yourself and answer my posts or stfu! You’re beginning to make looter look sober, and that’s damn near impossible to do, but you’re doing it.
 
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Marco Rubio, Florida Senator, says that gun restrictikns would not have prevented this.

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Oh, and the NRA gave him
$3.7 million last year.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I wasn't talking about a poll conducting in the wake of an incident like Sandy Hook or this one. Dissatisfaction with incidents like this occurring is on the rise overall and guns are the easy target.

Personally, I believe that guns are only part of the equation. I don't really think that "assault rifles" should be banned. I think that it is probably more likely that these weapons are chosen for their looks by these nut jobs not for effectiveness. Just as much damage can be done with other guns, but they don't look cool. There are elements of gun control relating to mag size or bump stocks etc that I believe need regulation, but the assault rifle debate makes little sense to me.


However, it's beyond me how anyone can defend the position that guns should not be in the hands of nut jobs. That has to be the discussion. How can we do a better job of identifying these people and keeping guns out of their hands.
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I think the biggest issue with most people on the 2A side's recalcitrance is the combination of the "we have to do something!" mindset meets "hard cases make bad law" with a healthy splash of "pass it to see what's in it" legislative approach.

For instance, for all the histrionics about the NRA supposedly blocking the terrorist watch list approach to gun control it's seemingly forgotten that the ACLU was at least as big a player in that role. The reason was there were lots of issues about how one got on the list and what relief was afforded for getting off. That was a purely legal argument and upstream from the gun purchasing issue.

There is an astonishing amount of catastrophic ignorance surrounding firearms in this country made worse by the fact a high percentage of people fitting that description are in government and media. There are people out there right now that believe you can go on a website and have a firearm shipped to your door. Others believe if an FFL dealer goes to a gun show it absolves them of any legal transfer requirements. We've had not one but two major issues with "armor piercing" rounds rooted entirely on people that didn't know $#!^ from Shinola about the issue. When the KTW bullets came out back in the early '80's (btw the teflon was intended to protect the gun barrels from hardened brass, not help them penetrate) even though they were never sold nor intended to be sold to the public there was sufficient bleating of the sheep to have Congress propose regulation on the matter. Trouble was their criteria, being politicians with knowledge of ballistics equivalent to the average squirrel, set the criteria based solely on penetration of the body armor of the time. This criteria would have then put some completely normal though more powerful .357/.44 handgun rounds at risk but basically every modern rifle round. When the NRA and other groups brought this up the mewling herds of Hollywood and the media set about casting the NRA as supporting the distribution of "cop killer" bullets and making jokes about deer in bulletproof vests. Indeed it was with the NRA's help that the approved bill (HR 3132) which centered on the actual bullet construction was passed. We more recently had to deal with the very similar issue and M855 ammunition.

There are huge trust issues in play here. The 2A, and indeed the BOR in general, is in place in large part purely by calculated mistrust of government. It's built right in with the document itself. If people are coming from one side yelling there must be change it's not going to happen without assurances. Big ones. The kind where "good intentions" and "you can trust us" don't even make it into the room.
 
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tumscalcium said:
How do you know it would have?
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He said categorically it would not have. He doesn't know that.

Then he,says we should do something and sits down. Pathetic. People,are tired of this lame response.

It would be one thing if there were a full slew of hearings and Congresspeople could explain their no votes. Alas, the NRA blocks those.
 
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