Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

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FLVOL_79 said:
I dont think there is any real answer. The government could screen people for mental health but how hard is that to cheat? How long do you keep checking people? Forever? Some people just snap.

The shooters online footprint should have been red flags to everyone. This dude was itching to kill. I think he said he "wanted to kill law enforcement and good people"....yeah..

I guess the FBI was too busy with their Russian collusion case to put agents on this one..
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Sooner or later people will realize that those intent on killing will kill no matter how many things they want to ban. Someone brought up Timothy McVeigh earlier, it’s a perfect example. If it’s not a gun, it’ll be a knife. If not a knife, it’ll be a truck. If not a truck it’ll be a bomb. Killers will kill. Trick is protecting yourself and your loved ones from that. Government is not the answer.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'll let you in on a secret.

It's not gun ownership.

Here's the list and I took off the obvious ****hole countries where one might expect such things to happen. But here's some "civilized" top 25 countries that don't seem to suffer from the same problem:

Estimated number of guns per capita by country - Wikipedia

Cyprus
Urguay
Norway
France
Canada
Austria
Iceland
Germany
Finland
Switzerland
Macedonia
Australia
Montenegro
New Zealand
Greece
Croatia
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Does the US more that double the next country on guns per capita?
 
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When the 2A was ratified back in the late 1700's you were lucky if you could get 3 shots off per minute with a musket. I wonder if the Amendment would have got ratified if they would have even slightly imagined what guns would be like today? I'm not saying guns should be illegal at all, but I've always wondered this.

I saw that the gunman obtained his guns legally. Apparently he lost his mother back in November and I think his father some time before that. Kids jokingly said that he'd be one to shoot up a school. Passed a background check though, so lets give him guns and all the ammo he wants. He posted his "arsenal" on social media bragging about it. Apparently he wasn't very bright because he wanted to put a scope on a shotgun smh.
 
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Madscientistvol said:
The second amendment makes the conversations about these issues more sticky for sure. We are constitutionally guaranteed the right to bear arms. Whether liberals like it or not it has been ruled on to mean exactly that by the SC. Any legislative efforts to mitigate these instances has to take that into account. So what are the common sense laws that I keep hearing about that we need that also respect that constitutional right?

Also, scrapping the 2nd Amendment so we can ban all or most guns is about as much of a pipe dream for the left as scrapping Roe v Wade is for the right. Ain't gonna happen.
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For now we have enough guns in the country to eliminate the sale of most new ones. If you own them, you can transfer it to someone else with a thorough check. Nowhere in the constitution does it say guns cannot be registered. That is the fear that prevents this conversation. Fear of a tyrannical government that has nukes, war planes, grenades and many other weapons and someone thinking that their guns is going to stop them is completely laughable. The truth is the NRA has never lobbied for individual rights just the manufactures right to sell them.

So far you have been about the only one to start an actual dialogue about the issue. I admit I don't have the answers but am willing to discuss it.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Kinda thoughtful for you...

Good points though. And certainly worthy of debate. However, I feel certain mouthbreathers on here like luther, Mick and Zep will ignore it with their fingers in their ears while screaming about AR-15s and magazine capacities.
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Right.

Ban AR-15's. Watch the school violence NOT stop or slow down..
 
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My point is not to ban guns. I believe that to be a fool's errand. However, there needs to be an honest f#cking discussion in this country. Guns are one part of the problem and they must be part of the discussion. As many have alluded to... mental health is also part of the problem. The discussion must be had. I am sick and tired of people stating that mass shootings are essentially an insignificant portion of deaths in this country. It is time to face this problem.
 
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Grand Vol said:
It does.

Point, please? I think I know where you're going and I am itching to refute it.
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Your going to refute my argument that a major difference between the US and other first world countries that don't deal with these tragedies on a weekly basis is gun ownership per capita? By all means...
 
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zeppelin128 said:
The NRA is not at fault for this, but don't act like they are some paragon of good protecting liberty. They are in it for money, absolutely nothing more than that. They'd legalize rocket launchers if they could make a dollar.
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And I would but one because I could. Never use it, but it would be cool to have.

See how that works? Just because you own something doesn't mean that you are going to run around and kill 20 kids with it. The fallacy of the entire gun control mantra is that we want to ban things because a VERY VERY small segment of our ever more urbanized population is using them to kill and hurt others. I maintain that you should be after tobacco first and then alcohol 2nd because those products kill more people and harm more families in a year than all the mass shootings in schools and theaters in this country ever. You want to control something that I do safely and with absolutely NO harm to anyone (even myself) but are OK with teenagers beginning smoking habits that have a good chance of eventually killing them or causing health issues.

Get your ****ing priorities in order.
 
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Stoked said:
When the 2A was ratified back in the late 1700's you were lucky if you could get 3 shots off per minute with a musket. I wonder if the Amendment would have got ratified if they would have even slightly imagined what guns would be like today? I'm not saying guns should be illegal at all, but I've always wondered this.

I saw that the gunman obtained his guns legally. Apparently he lost his mother back in November and I think his father some time before that. Kids jokingly said that he'd be one to shoot up a school. Passed a background check though, so lets give him guns and all the ammo he wants. He posted his "arsenal" on social media bragging about it. Apparently he wasn't very bright because he wanted to put a scope on a shotgun smh.
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I'm pretty sure George Washington would have had serious wood outside his teeth if someone time traveled and gave him a bunch of crates of AR-15s and mags to go with it.

The Overmountain Men would likely have picked an M14 clone though.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Kinda thoughtful for you...

Good points though. And certainly worthy of debate. However, I feel certain mouthbreathers on here like luther, Mick and Zep will ignore it with their fingers in their ears while screaming about AR-15s and magazine capacities.
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Please find where I mentioned AR-15s or magazines. Never once did I mention banning any gun.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Hog we've been through this 100 times.

Assault rifle - Wikipedia
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So an AR is not an assault rifle. Glad we got that worked out. It doesn't have selective fire any more than any other semi-automatic weapon available on the market today.

It's black (no racism intended), it's ugly (no misogyny intended), it's scary (sorry to all the ghosts and things out there), and it's a mantra to the anti-gun folks.

Please tell me why you are singling out this particular weapon over all the others. I know the answer but I am no going to give it to you.
 
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flvol_79 said:
its population size and culture. Violence has always been glorified. This country was founded on and gained its back to back world war champions status based on violence. Our country nuked civilians not once, but twice. Think about that. This place is still the wild west, just less dust, and less legal prostitution, but better hygiene.

Also we can blame pc culture. No one ever said of these mass shootings "boy we didnt see that coming!". Everyone always knows who the one to snap is...but people are too afraid to "label" or "stereotype" someone..
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ClearwaterVol said:
Your going to refute my argument that a major difference between the US and other first world countries that don't deal with these tragedies on a weekly basis is gun ownership per capita? By all means...
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Was that your only point? I thought you were going to make some profound correlation between gun ownership and mass school shootings.

However, if it's stats and whatnot you'd like. According to that Wiki, we have roughly 1 gun per person in the US (101 per 100). That's a lot.

Now...

Next highest on my list is Cyprus at 36.4 per 100 people.

Uruguay at 31.8

Norway at 31.3

France at 31.2

Canada at 30.8

I would go on, but that's sufficient. Now, please point to the last school shooting in any of those countries.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
So an AR is not an assault rifle. Glad we got that worked out. It doesn't have selective fire any more than any other semi-automatic weapon available on the market today.

It's black (no racism intended), it's ugly (no misogyny intended), it's scary (sorry to all the ghosts and things out there), and it's a mantra to the anti-gun folks.

Please tell me why you are singling out this particular weapon over all the others. I know the answer but I am no going to give it to you.
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It's a problem when one side of a debate is willfully ignorant or purposely deceptive
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'm pretty sure George Washington would have had serious wood outside his teeth if someone time traveled and gave him a bunch of crates of AR-15s and mags to go with it.

The Overmountain Men would likely have picked an M14 clone though.
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LOL, we wouldn't have half the issues we have now if Robert E Lee had a few thousand.
 
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