Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

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Mick said:
How is someone going to get a truck into a school or any other building?
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As has been pointed out, schools are are pretty soft target for a killer using a gun. It is also well established a crowded sidewalk is a soft target for a killer using a truck. What about someone who decides dumping poison into a water system? Or any other myriad targets?

Just think, probably will never be another successful hijacking of a US airliner because anyone who acts up on a plane is most likely going to get the total hell beat out them.
 
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DTH, I get where you are coming from and the An-Cap thinking the private sector would respond better. But this is one of those cases where it just isn't the best option. Because frankly, they get one shot at it. No pun intended on that. They screw up and you've got a school full of dead children. And there are no takebacks on that. And I can flat guarantee you they will go with the lowest bidder. Think about the term "mall cops." That's the same companies a school district would hire.

I understand you don't care for the job LEOs do. But even you've come about a bit in recent memory after getting to know a few. Who would you prefer watching over your children? One of those LEOs you got to know? Or the guy with the radio and four hours of firearms training in the State of Alabama that was watching a monitor at the mall the day before looking for shoplifters?
 
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GroverCleveland said:
As has been pointed out, schools are are pretty soft target for a killer using a gun. It is also well established a crowded sidewalk is a soft target for a killer using a truck. What someone who decides dumping poison into a water system? Or any other myriad targets?

Just think, probably will never be another successful hijacking of a US airliner because anyone who acts up on a plane is most likely going to get the total hell beat out them.
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Yea. .. nowadays. If someone tries for the cockpit door, they would be eating through a straw the rest of their days..
 
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Grand Vol said:
DTH, I get where you are coming from and the An-Cap thinking the private sector would respond better. But this is one of those cases where it just isn't the best option. Because frankly, they get one shot at it. No pun intended on that. They screw up and you've got a school full of dead children. And there are no takebacks on that. And I can flat guarantee you they will go with the lowest bidder. Think about the term "mall cops." That's the same companies a school district would hire.

I understand you don't care for the job LEOs do. But even you've come about a bit in recent memory after getting to know a few. Who would you prefer watching over your children? One of those LEOs you got to know? Or the guy with the radio and four hours of firearms training in the State of Alabama that was watching a monitor at the mall the day before looking for shoplifters?
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I simply want the people who have their kids inside these schools to decide. That’s all, no more, no less. Funding could be privately done in some areas, if such a thing is required.

I’ve not came around to anything as far as cops are concerned. ALL cops are bad, not the individual, mind you, it’s the profession. But that’s a discussion for another time.
 
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Grand Vol said:
DTH, I get where you are coming from and the An-Cap thinking the private sector would respond better. But this is one of those cases where it just isn't the best option. Because frankly, they get one shot at it. No pun intended on that. They screw up and you've got a school full of dead children. And there are no takebacks on that. And I can flat guarantee you they will go with the lowest bidder. Think about the term "mall cops." That's the same companies a school district would hire.

I understand you don't care for the job LEOs do. But even you've come about a bit in recent memory after getting to know a few. Who would you prefer watching over your children? One of those LEOs you got to know? Or the guy with the radio and four hours of firearms training in the State of Alabama that was watching a monitor at the mall the day before looking for shoplifters?
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I am with you GV. I have two restaurants where I pay for armed security after 4:00. Three years ago I went from off duty cops to a armed security company in an effort to save money. That lasted 6 months before I realized the error in my judgement.
 
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I have spent my last 30 years living / working less than a mile from this school. Our community has been rocked by the events today. Parkland / Coral Springs are known as some of the safest towns in the state of Florida.

My brother attended this school for 2 years and played on the football team where one of the victims, a coach who also works at the school as a security guard died protecting students died today.

My wife and I are in shock tonight and are holding our newest member of the family (our 2 month old son Jackson) a little tighter tonight. Families in my community won’t be able to do that with the 17 lives lost tragically today.

Please keep all the families in your thoughts and prayers.
 
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Vol0725 said:
If we can secure and protect airports all over this country, we can certainly protect our schools. Serious discussions should take place at the State level asap.
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Airports aren't really that secure. The TSA is security theater.
 
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Vol0725 said:
Whatever. Helps more than hurts; my point, do something to protect children and teachers, start a mature adult conversation now.
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Absolutely . Nothing has changed. How many kids have to die before the whole thing gets overhauled? 1 SRO isnt enough. Where I went to HS anybody could walk right in the main entrance without question. Its still that way today. Too many places have this "its not going to happen here" attitude. Until it does. I dont know what the answer is but it just seems like the country has done absolutely nothing to prevent this
 
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from shooter's Instagram page:

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K-town Vol Fan said:
Absolutely . Nothing has changed. How many kids have to die before the whole thing gets overhauled? 1 SRO isnt enough. Where I went to HS anybody could walk right in the main entrance without question. Its still that way today. Too many places have this "its not going to happen here" attitude. Until it does. I dont know what the answer is but it just seems like the country has done absolutely nothing to prevent this
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Daughters old HS now requires the ID card as a key card to open main doors -- almost impossible for a parent or non student to get in now --- school is 98 percent white too -- a dean or guard watches everyone entering in the am -- last I heard bookbags may be banned soon, since heavy textbooks are a thing of the past
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
The school should have the option imo.

A private firm could tailor their security to the school and only the protection of the kids. Cops will simply be looking to bust kids for every little thing.
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You couldn’t be further from the truth. Many states and cities already employ School Resource Officers and I can assure you they are not looking to bust kids for every little thing.
 
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This is just another indictment of the failure of mental health professionals and PC culture in the USA.

Everyone knew this dude was off his rocker well before this happened..
 
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Everyone saw it coming from this guy.

And yet. . . . . we need more laws.

"All he would talk about is guns, knives and hunting,” Joshua Charo, 16, a former classmate, told the Herald. “I can’t say I was shocked. From past experiences, he seemed like the kind of kid who would do something like this.”
Another unidentified student told WJXT-TV that “everyone predicted” the shooting.
“Honestly, a lot of people were saying it was gonna be him,” the unnamed student told the news station. He said kids joked around that the student would be the one to “shoot up the school.”
An Instagram page apparently belonging to Cruz showed pictures of guns and knives. Israel said some of Cruz's social media posts were "very, very disturbing."
 
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Guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people.

If you are a member of the NRA, the blood is on your hands. You are responsible for this. They have blocked common sense laws forever and by paying dues to them, you have made this a reality. You are responsible. Never forget that.
 
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volfanhill said:
I am with you GV. I have two restaurants where I pay for armed security after 4:00. Three years ago I went from off duty cops to a armed security company in an effort to save money. That lasted 6 months before I realized the error in my judgement.
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You've got restaurants that need armed security? Where and why?
 
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