Tom Brady congratulates Derek Barnett after Super Bowl loss

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Is it just me or does DB look smaller than he did at TN? Did they put him on a weight loss program or something? Just seemed to not have the same push he used to but still quick
 
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VOLanooga said:
Is it just me or does DB look smaller than he did at TN? Did they put him on a weight loss program or something? Just seemed to not have the same push he used to but still quick
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Barnett is in much better shape. He lost a lot of weight. Looks more athletic as well. But he does look to not have as much power. Either way I think its a good trade-off. He was never a power rusher. He won more based on his get off and dip.
 
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VolFan..But said:
I guess the defense could not save Brady this time. Had they lost to Seattle and Atlanta as they should have, he would be 3-5. In his earlier wins, the defense was full of Hall of Famers. Belicheck is the reason for his success. Had he been a 6th round pick of say Minnesota, you would have never heard of him and he would have been out of the league in a couple of years. He does not walk in the same shoes as Unitas, Marino, Manning, Favre, Montana etc.
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Really should be 2-5. If tuck rule was called correctly there wouldn't have been the 1st sb.
 
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VolFan..But said:
I guess the defense could not save Brady this time. Had they lost to Seattle and Atlanta as they should have, he would be 3-5. In his earlier wins, the defense was full of Hall of Famers. Belicheck is the reason for his success. Had he been a 6th round pick of say Minnesota, you would have never heard of him and he would have been out of the league in a couple of years. He does not walk in the same shoes as Unitas, Marino, Manning, Favre, Montana etc.
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Triggered......
 
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Total class even in a bitter loss. Reminds me of another high class QB cut from the same humble and respectable cloth.

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Hawkeye4588 said:
Brady did not need to be saved. He had a fantastic, MVP worthy night. He just needed his defense to show up once. The Patriots defense lost that game last night.
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You are correct sir. What’s more - and taking nothing away from the Eagles who earned that win - but had his O-line given Brady another split second before the ball was stripped leading to Barnett’s fateful fumble recovery, that game could very well have ended 40-38 Patriots (or 41-40 Eagles...). Brady still had plenty of clock left up to that point, to drive the field for a TD, as he has done so many times before to win on the Pat’s last possession.
 
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VolZen said:
Most of NE's offensive snaps with Barnett in the game, I watched him specifically. Most downs NE sent extra help for the tackle blocking Barnett on passing downs. Usually a back would chip him just as he would clear the tackle, then the back would release into the flats as a safety valve. Early on they even sent Gronk around to block him from the opposite side. I believe NE schemed specifically to keep him from getting to Brady, thus the show of respect from Brady after the game.
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For the life of me I don't know why they don't trap him and run screens of it.... His motor probably has a lot to do with it... He made the play when it counted. Way to go Barnett!!!!
 
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BearCat204 said:
Lol so much dumb in this. Brady is the GOAT and that defense lost the game for them last night.
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Brady and that entire franchise are a bunch of cheaters.

But I’m sure the NFL is about as “real” as the WWE so maybe it doesn’t matter.
 
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RavinDave said:
You are correct sir. What’s more - and taking nothing away from the Eagles who earned that win - but had his O-line given Brady another split second before the ball was stripped leading to Barnett’s fateful fumble recovery, that game could very well have ended 40-38 Patriots (or 41-40 Eagles...). Brady still had plenty of clock left up to that point, to drive the field for a TD, as he has done so many times before to win on the Pat’s last possession.
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See, that's the thing. QB's don't get better in the 4th quarter, but line dominance does. If he sits back there untouched in the fourth, he would likely score a lot -- but so would ANYBODY. Citing 4th quarter performance is a compliment to the line, not the QB. He is quite good, as is most everyone on that team, but why does Brady get all the credit for wins? And then the one time his line does not dominate the fourth, all the sudden the result is on them?
 
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Hawkeye4588 said:
Brady did not need to be saved. He had a fantastic, MVP worthy night. He just needed his defense to show up once. The Patriots defense lost that game last night.
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The story of Dan Marino's career. "He just needed his defense to show up once."
 
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Concept said:
See, that's the thing. QB's don't get better in the 4th quarter, but line dominance does. If he sits back there untouched in the fourth, he would likely score a lot -- but so would ANYBODY. Citing 4th quarter performance is a compliment to the line, not the QB. He is quite good, as is most everyone on that team, but why does Brady get all the credit for wins? And then the one time his line does not dominate the fourth, all the sudden the result is on them?
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Both O-lines dominated in that game...the was only one sack the entire game and very little pressure on the QBs most of the time.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Lol so much dumb in this. Brady is the GOAT and that defense lost the game for them last night.
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First of all, you are correct that he played as well as anyone could be asked to play in that game. The loss was in no way on him.

That said, I have real issues with analysts and talking heads making statements like he is the "greatest sportsman of all time," "he's the GOAT," etc. They hang all these accolades on him because of his post-season success, which I just don't see as an individual achievement. If he gets a pass when the defense plays poorly, then he has to share the credit when they play well.

Nothing against Brady. I would say the same of any quarterback in the game. He's a fully legit HOF player, but I remain convinced that players like Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, and, of course, Peyton Manning, could have and would have enjoyed similar success as champions if they would have found themselves in the Bill Belichick system.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
First of all, you are correct that he played as well as anyone could be asked to play in that game. The loss was in no way on him.

That said, I have real issues with analysts and talking heads making statements like he is the "greatest sportsman of all time," "he's the GOAT," etc. They hang all these accolades on him because of his post-season success, which I just don't see as an individual achievement.

Nothing against Brady. I would say the same of any quarterback in the game. He's a fully legit HOF player, but I remain convinced that players like Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, and, of course, Peyton Manning, could have and would have enjoyed similar success as champions if they would have found themselves in the Bill Belichick system.
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You think all of those guys would have 5 separate game-winning super bowl drives? Seems pretty steep.

I'm of the opinion that it has been the combination of the two that has led to this dynasty, not one or the other.
 
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Concept said:
See, that's the thing. QB's don't get better in the 4th quarter, but line dominance does. If he sits back there untouched in the fourth, he would likely score a lot -- but so would ANYBODY. Citing 4th quarter performance is a compliment to the line, not the QB. He is quite good, as is most everyone on that team, but why does Brady get all the credit for wins? And then the one time his line does not dominate the fourth, all the sudden the result is on them?
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Best post on here. His online has never gotten the credit they deserve. Brady is the most unathletic qb in the history of the NFL but his line has been so good he has never gotten hit much and usually has enough time to eat a sandwich. Imagine what an athletic qb like Rodgers would do with that line.
 
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orangepridenation said:
You think all of those guys would have 5 separate game-winning super bowl drives? Seems pretty steep.

I'm of the opinion that it has been the combination of the two that has led to this dynasty, not one or the other.
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The two have worked well together but all of those qbs listed would have the same results as tb if not better. The system would work for most. Doesn't require making many difficult throws. Certainly not on the run or off balance.
 
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I guess Brady was in a hurry to get out of there. Dressed and ready to go before DB gets his pads off.
 
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Concept said:
See, that's the thing. QB's don't get better in the 4th quarter, but line dominance does. If he sits back there untouched in the fourth, he would likely score a lot -- but so would ANYBODY. Citing 4th quarter performance is a compliment to the line, not the QB. He is quite good, as is most everyone on that team, but why does Brady get all the credit for wins? And then the one time his line does not dominate the fourth, all the sudden the result is on them?
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Go and look at their current O-Line coach and then notice when they struggled.
 
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