Where did life begin? (Merged)

Do you believe we have a creator, aka "God"?

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#3,252
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It's amazing how God can use someone who used to curse his name to now preach his gospel! I used to blaspheme but now I bless his HOLY NAME!!!
 
#3,254
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Frito

Who is God of the 2 beings in this vs in Rev 5?

Then I saw standing there with the throne and the four living beings, in the circle of the elders, a Lamb that appeared to have been slaughtered. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the sevenfold Spirit of God sent out into all the earth. 7 He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of the One sitting on the throne.





To be clear
Verse 7 says the lamb takes the scroll from the right hand of the One (capital O) sitting on the throne.

Which One is G-d?
 
#3,255
#3,255
Does Jesus have a G-d?


John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
 
#3,256
#3,256
Doesn’t Paul teach One G-d and one Lord.
We exist because of one and threw the other.

1 Cor 8:6

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
 
#3,258
#3,258
BigO95 said:
LOL I do. :)
Many Shabbos I have to work, But Sunday, the Lords day I go to church.
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While I don’t think it matters which day you go to church. Saturday is given as a day of rest. A gift. If people choose no to take it, that’s their choice. But.....
Why would you think the lords day is Sunday?
You’ve already stated you’re in agreement that messiah rose on Saturday.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
While I don’t think it matters which day you go to church. Saturday is given as a day of rest. A gift. If people choose no to take it, that’s their choice. But.....
Why would you think the lords day is Sunday?
You’ve already stated you’re in agreement that messiah rose on Saturday.
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Saturday night which belongs to the following day or perhaps early Sunday morning. In Corinthians they met on the first day of the week. Also, I believe that every day is a good day for church! I am not at all against meeting on Saturday.
 
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BigO95 said:
Saturday night which belongs to the following day or perhaps early Sunday morning. In Corinthians they met on the first day of the week. Also, I believe that every day is a good day for church! I am not at all against meeting on Saturday.
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Some have argued that the first day reference in 1 cor 16 is about payday at the time and not about church meetings. I am currently without opinion on this vs. just giving the opposing view point.

In acts 20.
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

You’ve already stipulated that the evening starts the day so if they got together on the first day to break bread and Paul taught till midnight would that be Saturday night as there’s only one midnight per day?


Again not questioning when anyone churches. Learning about G-d is always good regardless of the day. Just trying to understand the “lords day” thinking.
 
#3,261
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Originally Posted by UT-Rex View Post
^Folks, re-analyze, carefully, the way that is typed-out, there above, of John 10:33 ^.

compare,

Here is how it's written, in the KJV: "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

They claimed blasphemy, because they understood Jesus was claiming himself to be God (yes, God who Abraham, Isaac and Jacob followed).

Greek transliteration: Theon

Matt 5:8: "Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God." (Theon).

Orangeslice13 said:
And how does Messiah respond to them.

By reminding them or what is written in scripture and reminding them it’s not Blasphemy to claim to be the Son of G-d/ Messiah if he is the Son of God/Messiah.

The context before and after the attempted stoning is Messiah not YHWH.


Edit. The same word is used for God threw out that vs. translators decide when to use the “G” or “g” depending on their beliefs
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First off, I can't deal with 20,000 subjects at a time.

On this issue, let's be clear, that I'm only addressing with how you transcribed / posted John 10:33 (and you used a lower case 'g' -- no official translation uses a lower case 'g' in John 10:33 / EVERY official Biblical translation transcribes with upper case "G" / as does KJV from which I quoted: "because that thou, being a man, makest thyself 'God'").

Here's another translation example, from Aramaic Bible in Plain English (copy/pasted and seen here, in plain English, we see an upper case "G"):

"The Judeans were saying to him, “It is not for excellent works that we are stoning you, but because you blaspheme, and as you are a man, you make yourself God."

Again, we see clearly, that THOSE Jews -- in His midst/ witnessing personally what He was claiming -- claimed that He claimed "you make yourself God" (and then, the following verses show, as context, that the "Father sanctified" him, him being "the Son of God" -- he is attempting to convince them / to have them see/understand, that yes/indeed, what THEY just claimed that he was claiming, is correct).
 
#3,262
#3,262
BigO95 said:
Saturday night which belongs to the following day or perhaps early Sunday morning. In Corinthians they met on the first day of the week. Also, I believe that every day is a good day for church! I am not at all against meeting on Saturday.
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If Messiah had to be off the cross before sundown because the high sabbath was about to begin then that puts his resurrection before sundown on Saturday does it not? 3 full days
 
#3,263
#3,263
UT-Rex said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by UT-Rex View Post
^Folks, re-analyze, carefully, the way that is typed-out, there above, of John 10:33 ^.

compare,

Here is how it's written, in the KJV: "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

They claimed blasphemy, because they understood Jesus was claiming himself to be God (yes, God who Abraham, Isaac and Jacob followed).

Greek transliteration: Theon

Matt 5:8: "Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God." (Theon).



First off, I can't deal with 20,000 subjects at a time.

On this issue, let's be clear, that I'm only addressing with how you transcribed / posted John 10:33 (and you used a lower case 'g' -- no official translation uses a lower case 'g' in John 10:33 / EVERY official Biblical translation transcribes with upper case "G" / as does KJV from which I quoted: "because that thou, being a man, makest thyself 'God'").

Here's another translation example, from Aramaic Bible in Plain English (copy/pasted and seen here, in plain English, we see an upper case "G"):

"The Judeans were saying to him, “It is not for excellent works that we are stoning you, but because you blaspheme, and as you are a man, you make yourself God."

Again, we see clearly, that THOSE Jews -- in His midst/ witnessing personally what He was claiming -- claimed that He claimed "you make yourself God" (and then, the following verses show, as context, that the "Father sanctified" him, him being "the Son of God" -- he is attempting to convince them / to have them see/understand, that yes/indeed, what THEY just claimed that he was claiming, is correct).
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The lower case g is an example of how Jews could have understood it.
(And y’all give me crap for using a - instead of o to avoid confusion lol)

Edit: I went back and reread it. I believe I was clear in context that I was making an example of how the Jews could have understood it.
There was no attempt to deceive.

I agree
They asked if he was Messiah and Yeshua said yes.
Which is Blasphemy if he was not.
 
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#3,264
#3,264
Orangeslice13 said:
Some have argued that the first day reference in 1 cor 16 is about payday at the time and not about church meetings. I am currently without opinion on this vs. just giving the opposing view point.

In acts 20.
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

You’ve already stipulated that the evening starts the day so if they got together on the first day to break bread and Paul taught till midnight would that be Saturday night as there’s only one midnight per day?


Again not questioning when anyone churches. Learning about G-d is always good regardless of the day. Just trying to understand the “lords day” thinking.
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Those are very valid points and I certainly wouldn't condemn anyone whichever day they choose. I do know that what sinners think concerning the Lords day is important to think about. Many times they just don't understand about the things of God, but we must be careful not to be a stumbling block to them as well. I hope that makes since.
But that really isn't a good argument either way in this case. just throwing it out there. :hi:
 
#3,265
#3,265
Orangeslice13 said:
If Messiah had to be off the cross before sundown because the high sabbath was about to begin then that puts his resurrection before sundown on Saturday does it not? 3 full days
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Well, that's a very good question. I believe that it just says that He would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights not dead 3 days and 3 nights but in the grave. Then Any thing after sundown would work. maybe?
That's getting picky too, just my thoughts.

Matthew 12:40 (KJV)
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
of coarse he went to Abrahams bosom in the heart of the earth.
Ephesians 4:7-10 (KJV)
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
 
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#3,266
#3,266
Orangeslice13 said:
The lower case g is an example of how Jews could have understood it.
(And y’all give me crap for using a - instead of o to avoid confusion lol)

Edit: I went back and reread it. I believe I was clear in context that I was making an example of how the Jews could have understood it.
There was no attempt to deceive.

I agree
They asked if he was Messiah and Yeshua said yes.
Which is Blasphemy if he was not.
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Ok, fair enough. I too went back and reread it. Here's what you (in all honestly) wrote:

"the Jews gathered around ask if He’s the Messiah
He gives an answer
They pick up rocks
Messiah asks why
They say you claim to be Messiah/ a god
Messiah answers their claim in the context of the accusations they are making.


Yet the choice of a G by someone over the last 2000 years has many people believing Yeshua is actually YHWH."

I realize you wrote that in sincerity, however

every modern translation uses "G" (while you type: "They say you claim to be Messiah/ a god").

Rather, they were saying that he claimed to be God ("you make yourself God").

A "god" (any of the many) is in the context of what Paul was addressing in Acts 17:23.

To look at it another way, see Elijah's dealings with the prophets of Baal --

"Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, "Choose one of the bulls and prepare it first, since there are so many of you. Call on the name of your god, but do not light the fire"" (NIV).

Elijah called upon God (of Adam and Eve; God, of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob / God, creator of the universe), and those other prophets called upon baal/Baal (their god, whom they worshipped).
 
#3,267
#3,267
UT-Rex said:
Ok, fair enough. I too went back and reread it. Here's what you (in all honestly) wrote:

"the Jews gathered around ask if He’s the Messiah
He gives an answer
They pick up rocks
Messiah asks why
They say you claim to be Messiah/ a god
Messiah answers their claim in the context of the accusations they are making.


Yet the choice of a G by someone over the last 2000 years has many people believing Yeshua is actually YHWH."

I realize you wrote that in sincerity, however

every modern translation uses "G" (while you type: "They say you claim to be Messiah/ a god").

Rather, they were saying that he claimed to be God ("you make yourself God").

A "god" (any of the many) is in the context of what Paul was addressing in Acts 17:23.

To look at it another way, see Elijah's dealings with the prophets of Baal --

"Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, "Choose one of the bulls and prepare it first, since there are so many of you. Call on the name of your god, but do not light the fire"" (NIV).

Elijah called upon God (of Adam and Eve; God, of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob / God, creator of the universe), and those other prophets called upon baal/Baal (their god, whom they worshipped).
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When you are judged how many beings do you believe will be there? Will it be as revelations pictures it with G-d on the throne and Messiah Yeshua/Jesus at his right hand or one throne with one being G-d/Jesus/Yeshua on it?

I’m asking your opinion of what you expect.
 
#3,268
#3,268
Slice, the thought behind the Lords day is the contention that Jesus rose on the first day of the week. That is at least my understanding of it. I hope that helps you.
 
#3,270
#3,270
Orangeslice13 said:
Yes. I clearly pizzed him off. I thought we were having a good discussion then he went IG. I’ve learned that when people get pizzy the chances of me benefiting from it are over so I bail.
At the end of the day it’s all about me.

I apparently can’t converse with everyone the way I do with you.
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we can't all be pagans
 
#3,271
#3,271
Quote:
Originally Posted by UT-Rex View Post
Ok, fair enough. I too went back and reread it. Here's what you (in all honestly) wrote:

"the Jews gathered around ask if He’s the Messiah
He gives an answer
They pick up rocks
Messiah asks why
They say you claim to be Messiah/ a god
Messiah answers their claim in the context of the accusations they are making.


Yet the choice of a G by someone over the last 2000 years has many people believing Yeshua is actually YHWH."

I realize you wrote that in sincerity, however

every modern translation uses "G" (while you type: "They say you claim to be Messiah/ a god").

Rather, they were saying that he claimed to be God ("you make yourself God").

A "god" (any of the many) is in the context of what Paul was addressing in Acts 17:23.

To look at it another way, see Elijah's dealings with the prophets of Baal --

"Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, "Choose one of the bulls and prepare it first, since there are so many of you. Call on the name of your god, but do not light the fire"" (NIV).

Elijah called upon God (of Adam and Eve; God, of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob / God, creator of the universe), and those other prophets called upon baal/Baal (their god, whom they worshipped).

Orangeslice13 said:
When you are judged how many beings do you believe will be there? Will it be as revelations pictures it with G-d on the throne and Messiah Yeshua/Jesus at his right hand or one throne with one being G-d/Jesus/Yeshua on it?

I’m asking your opinion of what you expect.
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Some quotes / examples, of seated (sat; sitting):

Rev 4:2, "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne" (KJV, emphasis KJV's).

Mark 16:15, "And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted" (KJV).

Mark 16:19, "So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God" (KJV).

Col 3:1, "If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God" (KJV).

Rev 5:1, "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals" (KVJ).

Acts 3:10, "And they knew that it was he which sat for alms at the Beautiful gate of the temple: and they were filled with wonder and amazement at that which had happened unto him" (KJV).

1 Kings 2:9, "Bathsheba therefore went unto king Solomon, to speak unto him for Adonijah. And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king's mother; and she sat on his right hand" (KJV).
 
#3,274
#3,274
Rex
What does all the scripture you posted say to you?
One being or Two.


I expect to see G-d All Mighty I expect to see Yeshua there as my advocate. So clearly I expect to see the Father and his only begotten Son.


What say you?
It’s not a gotcha question. I’m genuinely interested in your opinion
 
#3,275
#3,275
John 5:22 (KJV)
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
 
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