Where did life begin? (Merged)

Do you believe we have a creator, aka "God"?

  • Total voters
    0
  • Poll closed .
#2,576
#2,576
Orangeslice13 said:
I’m saying you should do some research to see what is actually being said beyond the kjv.

Stab dogma and leave it for dead.
Click to expand...

I have studied other religions and other versions of the Bible. I have studied history and was forced to study evolution in school.
I may not be as ignorant as you think.
 
#2,577
#2,577
Orangeslice13 said:
I once had a baptist preacher say to me that a pre tribe rapture was a statement of faith. You weren’t saved if you didn’t believe it so.......
Click to expand...

The major protestant denominations stand on certain creeds. People who venture outside those creeds are doing so on their own, not according to established orthodoxy.
 
#2,578
#2,578
Wafflestomper said:
I've asked this question about every way I know how. I'm beginning to think you're being intentionally obtuse. I said this several pages ago:



It seems that the answer to that question, which has not been answered, is yes (i.e. you need to prove the first cause is pure actuality).

If that's the case then Aquinas's argument, if it succeeds, tells you practically nothing.
Click to expand...
Then you should know that this subject has also been tackled (Argument from necessity) and as i said in a previous reply, this was already asked and answered by Jhunt. Just because you don't like the answer and are being incredulous doesn't mean it wasn't answered.
 
Last edited:
#2,580
#2,580
BigO95 said:
I have studied other religions and other versions of the Bible. I have studied history and was forced to study evolution in school.
I may not be as ignorant as you think.
Click to expand...

I don’t think you’re ignorant at all.
I do think you’re hung up on dogma of the “group” you’ve chosen to identify with.
 
#2,581
#2,581
Orange_Crush said:
That was my understanding as well.

Did He ever ask Israel to not speak or spell His name? i.e. Did He ask for *that* respect?

When He gave His name to Moses as YHWH and said it was to be a memorial to Israel, what did He mean?
Click to expand...


Keep reading and studying. You’ll figure it out.
 
#2,582
#2,582
Orange_Crush said:
That was my understanding as well.

Did He ever ask Israel to not speak or spell His name? i.e. Did He ask for *that* respect?

When He gave His name to Moses as YHWH and said it was to be a memorial to Israel, what did He mean?
Click to expand...

Lol
Commanded to or not isn’t relevant as to why I do it. Or why I keep Torah as my standard for living. It’s the love and respect I have for G-d that drives me. If there is vanity found in my actions then I’ll be held accountable on the day of judgement.
 
#2,584
#2,584
For example.

I keep Torah to the best of my ability because G-d said it would be a blessing to me if I did. If I fail in any way there’s Grace. For me Grace doesn’t work without the law. The law is not a burden to me but a joy.

The law is my standard for living and Yeshua is my salvation.

If you disagree with any of that I’m cool with it. I’m only responsible for my own judgement not yours. And as you won’t be with me when I’m judged your opinion doesn’t carry much weight.
 
#2,586
#2,586
Orangeslice13 said:
For example.

I keep Torah to the best of my ability because G-d said it would be a blessing to me if I did. If I fail in any way there’s Grace. For me Grace doesn’t work without the law. The law is not a burden to me but a joy.

The law is my standard for living and Yeshua is my salvation.

If you disagree with any of that I’m cool with it. I’m only responsible for my own judgement not yours. And as you won’t be with me when I’m judged your opinion doesn’t carry much weight.
Click to expand...

I wasn't judging you for keeping torah, or any way you choose to say or spell the name of the Lord. I think you misunderstand my motives. I just think the Israelites, in going beyond what God asked them to do, created some unintended consequences. I think you have some interesting and and heartfelt interpretations and I genuinely wanted your input on whether you saw a disparity between Israel taking it upon themselves to mute the name of God when he seemed to command then to remember it.

But again... it wasn't a reflection of my views on you I particular. If there was a command to remember the name, it was lost before you came along.

Peace, bro. Peace...
 
#2,587
#2,587
Roustabout said:
Then you should know that this subject has also been tackled (Argument from necessity) and as i said in a previous reply, this was already asked and answered by Jhunt. Just because you don't like the answer and are being incredulous doesn't mean it wasn't answered.
Click to expand...

My objection to the argument from necessity was rebutted by the same assertion that you've not even tried to support (God is pure actuality).

JHuntVols said:
His argument properly formulated must also result in only one God (read: pure actuality) as to have more than one god would mean that there would be something that must distinguish them. This is impossible as it would mean that one god had an unrealized potential (the "feature" that distinguishes between the two beings), and that is self-contradictory to what a Thomist would term God.
Click to expand...
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#2,588
#2,588
Orange_Crush said:
I wasn't judging you for keeping torah, or any way you choose to say or spell the name of the Lord. I think you misunderstand my motives. I just think the Israelites, in going beyond what God asked them to do, created some unintended consequences. I think you have some interesting and and heartfelt interpretations and I genuinely wanted your input on whether you saw a disparity between Israel taking it upon themselves to mute the name of God when he seemed to command then to remember it.

But again... it wasn't a reflection of my views on you I particular. If there was a command to remember the name, it was lost before you came along.

Peace, bro. Peace...
Click to expand...


I’m sorry if that seemed adversarial. I didn’t think you were trying to play games. I feel we’re way past that. I just cut to what I thought you wanted to know.

I think there are 2 main problems with people who are Christian-or some version of Christian.

There are legalistic Rules keepers. Those are the ones who do a lot of the things I do but for the wrong motivation. They think there own righteousness will save them. These are the people who honor G-d with their words and actions but their hearts are far from Him. Psalms 119.
Equally as screwed are the “freedom in Christ “ people. They “Say” they “believe in Jesus” but are steeped in sin. But that’s ok because god wants them to be happy and they have freedom. These are the Mathew 7 people who will hear “ depart from me you workers of lawlessness, I don’t know you”.


It really is not easy to explain my position.
I believe that the people of G-d .....if you are G-ds people should want to and try to keep the law because you want to please G-d. But that’s not what saves you. It’s Grace and always has been.

The law is the standard
And Yeshua is salvation.







That’s as religious as you will ever see me get on here.
If anyone reading disagrees then I’m ok with it.
I’m honestly way more concerned about the plank in my eye than the speck in yours.
 
#2,589
#2,589
And you are right on imo about what was asked as opposed to what we (Israel) did.
Messiah spent most of his time dealing with that same problem with the teachers of the law. They elevated Talmud and other oral traditions above the Torah. Often when the Gosples record these exchanges the Pharisees were questioning Messiahs violation of these added traditions
 
#2,590
#2,590
Orangeslice13 said:
I’m sorry if that seemed adversarial. I didn’t think you were trying to play games. I feel we’re way past that. I just cut to what I thought you wanted to know.

I think there are 2 main problems with people who are Christian-or some version of Christian.

There are legalistic Rules keepers. Those are the ones who do a lot of the things I do but for the wrong motivation. They think there own righteousness will save them. These are the people who honor G-d with their words and actions but their hearts are far from Him. Psalms 119.
Equally as screwed are the “freedom in Christ “ people. They “Say” they “believe in Jesus” but are steeped in sin. But that’s ok because god wants them to be happy and they have freedom. These are the Mathew 7 people who will hear “ depart from me you workers of lawlessness, I don’t know you”.


It really is not easy to explain my position.
I believe that the people of G-d .....if you are G-ds people should want to and try to keep the law because you want to please G-d. But that’s not what saves you. It’s Grace and always has been.

The law is the standard
And Yeshua is salvation.







That’s as religious as you will ever see me get on here.
If anyone reading disagrees then I’m ok with it.
I’m honestly way more concerned about the plank in my eye than the speck in yours.
Click to expand...

I'm cool with you and have a lot of respect for you, though we obviously have some massive disagreements. As you say, we will each stand alone before God.

I think you and I agree more than you realize, as far as salvation by grace while living to please God. The major difference is or takes on how to please God. For me,I can out the disciples live. It's to die to self. And I know it's my pursuit to do that.

I feel neither the desire, not the need, to debate you. And I think we could happily hang out and enjoy the friendship. Lol
 
#2,591
#2,591
BigO95 said:
Yes dinosaurs existed, how can you possibly believe that the Earth is billions of years old?
I have a great history book that teaches it.
Click to expand...

I am a Christian. I believe in God. But your belief in the Earth being 6000 years old is based on flawed information. I would love to see specific scripture that points to a date of creation.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#2,593
#2,593
BigOrangeTrain said:
I am a Christian. I believe in God. But your belief in the Earth being 6000 years old is based on flawed information. I would love to see specific scripture that points to a date of creation.
Click to expand...

You have to ad up the genealogies and reference to some known points of history. Its a lot of research, but its there.
Young or old earth theory both must be believed by faith. Its not that hard to believe when you put some thought into it.
 
#2,597
#2,597
In this psalm

Adonai, you have been our dwelling place
in every generation.
2 Before the mountains were born,
before you had formed the earth and the world,
from eternity past to eternity future
you are God.


What is meant by eternity past?
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.
Advertisement





Back
Top