Official Jon Gruden Thread XLIX

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HearForGrumors said:
Whoa! That is 100% not what I'm saying. That is taking what I said to an illogical extent.

I don't want to argue with you either. I think the Beaver is take it or leave it. I echo Squints sentiment. If you don't like him (believe him), put him on ignore.

My entire point regarding the beaver is twofold (1) he has enacted a plan with a very high level of attention and strategy (2) he has played a role in this, however significant. I can see the dots line up between his actions and marketing/brand development/game theory. Whoever he is, his effect is not an accident.

Other than that, I don't know (1) who he is (2) who he works for (3) what his knowledge base is (4) if he was close enough to know anything deal specifics or (5) the precise extent of his impact.
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Or, he was a fraud the whole time. You can’t discount that possibility no matter how many people desperately want to believe otherwise.

You guys built this mythos around the guy hanging on his every word, and when the narrative started to shift and the goal posts moved, so too did his “true meaning” behind the stuff he originally posted. I get it, it’s fun to believe we have some Ultra-ballin’, secret socriety, super connected, possible billionaires on here (and maybe we do), but absolutely nothing substantive from Beaver has been produced in nearly two months. Outside of the hero worship from people foaming at the mouth to scream GTFO or threaten bannings to anyone who dares question the validity of something so hard to believe in the first place.

I’ve been pro Gruden since day one. And I still hope there’s some last minute miracle that he’s the guy. But that’s what it would be - because just like last time when it ended up being Butch, all the message board gossip and “vetted” insiders are seemingly yet again being proven completely wrong by traditional news outlets and reporters. It’s fun to believe, but not at the cost of abandoning reason, and right now all reason points to Pruitt being the next head coach. And that’s a solid hire even if his name isn’t Jon Gruden.
 
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HearForGrumors said:
I'd say I missed you too, but I haven't left.

Sorry to lurk so hard. I've been riding down my own apathetic highway. I always reserved some level of doubt, but I wanted to believe. To be fair, I still do.

In order for a Phoenix to rise, they must first be turned to ash.
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Agreed and appropriate to the situation. I'm just not confident our fire was broad and fierce enough to cauterize cancer. You?
 
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HODGY said:
Last night she said the whale killed Ahab and swam away. She is the Louise Mensch of Grumors.
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No she was answering what the last Gruden info she heard was. She is NOT on the Gru train and thinks Pruit is fantastic.

If anybody would freakin read the tweet, youd see that no sources know **** because Phil hasnt told anybody.

Plentyof people here have said their sources dont know and assume he said no.

Assuming does what?
 
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jctenn1 said:
something is not right here...smells fishy...
why is everyone so silent all in a sudden ?
we could have had any of these coaches signed and trotted out by now...

maybe Fulmer does have the WHITE WHALE and is stalling for some reason...
GRUDEN TO THE HILL
GBO
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I've actually got that same feeling. Maybe he's working on the possible assistants, especially the DC. I'm no insider and don't know any insiders. I bet big money many key boosters are working feverishly to make this hire a reality.
 
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MIT_Beaver said:
I give a lionshare of the credit to Volnation. You will never hear me say otherwise. I am speaking specifically towards that one poster.
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Enough with the beav’s a troll nonsense. We all put our hope in an anonymous internet poster. Seriously. It’s not like any of us officially went to war and bled for a cause; we got on twitter and made some phone calls. And in the end, we became a more united and less complacent fan base. If you’re not happy with the end result, keep fighting. You shouldn’t need beav to tell you to do so especially now that you know how powerful our fan base is.
 
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Leximax said:
Enough with the beav’s a troll nonsense. We all put our hope in an anonymous internet poster. Seriously. It’s not like any of us officially went to war and bled for a cause; we got on twitter and made some phone calls. And in the end, we became a more united and less complacent fan base. If you’re not happy with the end result, keep fighting. You shouldn’t need beav to tell you to do so especially now that you know how powerful our fan base is.
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Nailed it.
 
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Fulmer and Davenport are "in the wind" ...


LOL. Man ... gotta laugh at this coaching search to keep from crying.
 
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MACGRUDER said:
Or, he was a fraud the whole time. You can’t discount that possibility no matter how many people desperately want to believe otherwise.

You guys built this mythos around the guy hanging on his every word, and when the narrative started to shift and the goal posts moved, so too did his “true meaning” behind the stuff he originally posted. I get it, it’s fun to believe we have some Ultra-ballin’, secret socriety, super connected, possible billionaires on here (and maybe we do), but absolutely nothing substantive from Beaver has been produced in nearly two months. Outside of the hero worship from people foaming at the mouth to scream GTFO or threaten bannings to anyone who dares question the validity of something so hard to believe in the first place.

I’ve been pro Gruden since day one. And I still hope there’s some last minute miracle that he’s the guy. But that’s what it would be - because just like last time when it ended up being Butch, all the message board gossip and “vetted” insiders are seemingly yet again being proven completely wrong by traditional news outlets and reporters. It’s fun to believe, but not at the cost of abandoning reason, and right now all reason points to Pruitt being the next head coach. And that’s a solid hire even if his name isn’t Jon Gruden.
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Define "fraud" in this context?

Is he not a major booster with input on the hire? I concede that I likely agree with that conclusion. Is he not associated with people who do fit the above description? I'm not so sure.

Here's what I don't believe: I do not believe that Beaver is just some schmuck with zero connections. Its an excruciatingly detailed and long process for a few clicks. As AV said, "you just simply can't play golf at the places he's playing golf without some connections."

So, judging whether or not he is a fraud requires defining what fraud means in this context. Any definition of fraud that includes "HE LIED BECAUSE GRUDEN ISN'T OUR COACH!!!" is categorically improper.
 
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