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Official Jon Gruden Thread XLVI
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Great news coming from Feldman
[twitter]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tennessee?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Tennessee</a> coaching search update: Source tells me the meeting with Mike Leach went very well. And... stay tuned.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/936455639127248897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 1, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/twitter]
[twitter]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tennessee?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Tennessee</a> coaching search update: Source tells me the meeting with Mike Leach went very well. And... stay tuned.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/936455639127248897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 1, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/twitter]
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Okay, I was all in on this "social movement" while it was about trying to find the best coach for the University of Tennessee. I thought that was the goal. Turns out we've veered off into some political crusade that is only tangentially related to that goal, and may even be harmful to it.
We stood up to Currie last Sunday because he tried to trot out Schiano, a hugely underwhelming option, a man of questionable character who is also, apparently, not a very good leader or football coach. When we did that, we had the goal firmly in mind. The goal was Gruden, or Patterson, or Peterson, or another coach of that pedigree. Shciano was a miserable first failure, and it was right to object. Good so far.
Then the goal morphed a little. It remained to find a great coach...but it also started being about firing Currie. Which I'm totally good with; the man has shown some fairly incredible incompetence in the realms of communication, expectation management, values and leadership. So I didn't mind adding "fire Currie" as a second goal.
Then the goal shifted again, so that "fire Currie" took first place in the list of goals. Finding a great coach dropped into the secondary position. And that was okay, sort of, since it didn't look like Currie would find any coach worth a damn anyway.
But quietly in there, growing slowly in volume as the days went along, the goal was morphing again. Firing Currie wasn't enough, we needed to somehow separate Jimmy Haslam from the program, remove his influence. This was introduced as the Game Behind the Game, the Big Win.
And a lot of us, me included, saw what we thought were Actors with Purpose leading that charge. The enigmatic Beav and Bubba, of course, but most of all, Atlanta_Vol. AV being kind and generous to the kinds of people we like to care about, parents with children and vets, and that gave him huge instant credibility, and he said this is what it's all about, it is a Booster War, one that will turn out great for Tennessee if we can only win it. And our part, as fans, was to make things uncomfortable for the Haslam-Currie duo, to give the Booster Cabal time, energy and support to do...well, whatever it is they expected to do.
Errm...what was that, exactly? None of this Booster Cabal have ever explained what they're trying to do. Or how they mean to accomplish it. Is the goal to vote Bill Haslam out of the Board of Trustees Chairmanship? Or is it to in some other way force Bill to tell Jimmy to back off, leave the program alone? How exactly, I mean precisely, do they expect to accomplish that? And exactly how long do they expect that to last? And how do they expect to enforce it, say, six months from now? Or two years from now? Ten?
And if it's not about a long-term solution, if it's only about getting Haslam and Currie out of the way so we can get the best possible coach for the program now, if that's all it's about, then why are we supposed to rail against even decent coaching options that Currie comes up with?
I've read not one or two, but several people here, who have written that we need to fight to prevent any coach from being hired as long as Currie still has his job and Haslam is in the background pulling strings.
What if Currie gets Gruden? We fight that?
What if he gets Patterson? Or Peterson?
I'm not saying Currie could land any of them, or any great option at this point, only pointing out that our priorities have become all jumbled.
What the heck are we doing here?
For me, this is about getting a great coach. I am amenable to it being about more, about removing the Haslam influence from our program, but only if someone who actually knows what the Boosters are doing (not guesses, or thinks they know, but literally and truly knows ) can explain in great detail what the plan is, what result we're shooting for and how we expect to get there, and how it will give this program long-term benefits.
Short of that, I'm dropping back to our foundations: about us getting the best coach we can.
Right now, that might be Mike Leach. I'm not hugely in love with him as an option, but he may be our best choice.
That's where I see us being, today.
tl;dr: the mysterious and largely hidden Movement Leaders have lost my support. They can get it back by explaining, with great clarity, in detail, the goal and a plan to achieve it. Short of that, I'm backing Leach and any follow-on coaching candidates who make sense given where we are at the time.
We stood up to Currie last Sunday because he tried to trot out Schiano, a hugely underwhelming option, a man of questionable character who is also, apparently, not a very good leader or football coach. When we did that, we had the goal firmly in mind. The goal was Gruden, or Patterson, or Peterson, or another coach of that pedigree. Shciano was a miserable first failure, and it was right to object. Good so far.
Then the goal morphed a little. It remained to find a great coach...but it also started being about firing Currie. Which I'm totally good with; the man has shown some fairly incredible incompetence in the realms of communication, expectation management, values and leadership. So I didn't mind adding "fire Currie" as a second goal.
Then the goal shifted again, so that "fire Currie" took first place in the list of goals. Finding a great coach dropped into the secondary position. And that was okay, sort of, since it didn't look like Currie would find any coach worth a damn anyway.
But quietly in there, growing slowly in volume as the days went along, the goal was morphing again. Firing Currie wasn't enough, we needed to somehow separate Jimmy Haslam from the program, remove his influence. This was introduced as the Game Behind the Game, the Big Win.
And a lot of us, me included, saw what we thought were Actors with Purpose leading that charge. The enigmatic Beav and Bubba, of course, but most of all, Atlanta_Vol. AV being kind and generous to the kinds of people we like to care about, parents with children and vets, and that gave him huge instant credibility, and he said this is what it's all about, it is a Booster War, one that will turn out great for Tennessee if we can only win it. And our part, as fans, was to make things uncomfortable for the Haslam-Currie duo, to give the Booster Cabal time, energy and support to do...well, whatever it is they expected to do.
Errm...what was that, exactly? None of this Booster Cabal have ever explained what they're trying to do. Or how they mean to accomplish it. Is the goal to vote Bill Haslam out of the Board of Trustees Chairmanship? Or is it to in some other way force Bill to tell Jimmy to back off, leave the program alone? How exactly, I mean precisely, do they expect to accomplish that? And exactly how long do they expect that to last? And how do they expect to enforce it, say, six months from now? Or two years from now? Ten?
And if it's not about a long-term solution, if it's only about getting Haslam and Currie out of the way so we can get the best possible coach for the program now, if that's all it's about, then why are we supposed to rail against even decent coaching options that Currie comes up with?
I've read not one or two, but several people here, who have written that we need to fight to prevent any coach from being hired as long as Currie still has his job and Haslam is in the background pulling strings.
What if Currie gets Gruden? We fight that?
What if he gets Patterson? Or Peterson?
I'm not saying Currie could land any of them, or any great option at this point, only pointing out that our priorities have become all jumbled.
What the heck are we doing here?
For me, this is about getting a great coach. I am amenable to it being about more, about removing the Haslam influence from our program, but only if someone who actually knows what the Boosters are doing (not guesses, or thinks they know, but literally and truly knows ) can explain in great detail what the plan is, what result we're shooting for and how we expect to get there, and how it will give this program long-term benefits.
Short of that, I'm dropping back to our foundations: about us getting the best coach we can.
Right now, that might be Mike Leach. I'm not hugely in love with him as an option, but he may be our best choice.
That's where I see us being, today.
tl;dr: the mysterious and largely hidden Movement Leaders have lost my support. They can get it back by explaining, with great clarity, in detail, the goal and a plan to achieve it. Short of that, I'm backing Leach and any follow-on coaching candidates who make sense given where we are at the time.
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