Why not Mike Leach?

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Mike Leach is definitely my 6th or so pick if we miss on Patterson, Peterson, Jimbo, Franklin, and of course Gruden. If we can't get one of the "big dogs" to bite for a big 6-8mil contract, then I'd be alright with Mike Leach. He's done good at every stop at mid-level school. He's done well above average. Now he's a game away from playing in the Pac-12 championship game. He would do very well in the SEC in my opinion. And the man only gets paid 2.95mil a yr at Wazzou!!! Currie could pull another "discount shopping" search like the last 2, and we COULD STILL pry Leach away for the same 4.1mil we were paying Butch, but with alot better consistent results. If we miss on the TOP 5,then I'm all in on Mike Leach.
 
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Leach's teams are fun to watch but the SEC would send him over the edge. He needs to be out of the NCAA limelight and sort of the quirky uncle that visits once a year. There are serious reasons why no bigtime program with booster duties, etc. has seriously considered Mike Leach.
 
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knox73 said:
Leach's teams are fun to watch but the SEC would send him over the edge. He needs to be out of the NCAA limelight and sort of the quirky uncle that visits once a year. There are serious reasons why no bigtime program with booster duties, etc. has seriously considered Mike Leach.
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It's really the same with Dan Mullen. Him and Leach have a lot of similarities with the red flags and big programs have stayed away from interest in them both.
 
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vols1707 said:
It's really the same with Dan Mullen. Him and Leach have a lot of similarities with the red flags and big programs have stayed away from interest in them both.
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True. But that's why Leach should be about 6th on the list, and then Mullen probably 7th. Hopefully it doesnt get down that far. But give me Mike Leach at Tennessee over a Shiano, Brohm, or Norvell. I'd even take Leach over Matt Campbell. Hopefully we can land a Top 5 choice tho
 
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VolTilWeFall98 said:
True. But that's why Leach should be about 6th on the list, and then Mullen probably 7th. Hopefully it doesnt get down that far. But give me Mike Leach at Tennessee over a Shiano, Brohm, or Norvell. I'd even take Leach over Matt Campbell. Hopefully we can land a Top 5 choice tho
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I'd could be talked into taking Leach over all but Schiano. I just like how Schiano built up Rutgers.

And I really think this 15 years of average soft play from Tennessee.
Could really use his toughness brought to this soft mental attitude.
 
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Jravol78 said:
true as far as his win pct. goes,but look at his trajectory at TT before he was unjustly fired and look at his tracectory at wash st as I type this.
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Yeah, I was just looking at this years results for Washington St. They beat a lot of good teams this season, including USC, Oregon, and Stanford. They are 9-2 With Washington remaining. I am impressed.

If he stays at WSU, I suspect them to be a perennial power out there.
 
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vols1707 said:
I'd could be talked into taking Leach over all but Schiano. I just like how Schiano built up Rutgers.

And I really think this 15 years of average soft play from Tennessee.
Could really use his toughness brought to this soft mental attitude.
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Yea, Schiano is going to get an offer from a decent school. I would think after the whole Hugh Freeze infractions situation at Ole Miss that they would hurry and try to grab a straight laced, disciplinarian to clean the mess up, and I figured Schiano would be a good fit there with their situation. I feel like we can do better tho. He's solid tho. Schiano would be a good option down the list. But when you actually start listing coaches in order, there seems to be alot more higher up the list. I'd even take D'Antonio over Schiano I think. You got Peterson, Patterson, Franklin, Fisher, Gruden, (I'd even call Stoops with an 8mil offer regardless of his interest), Leach, and probably D'Antonio.....THEN I'd drop down to Mullen, and Schiano, and Venables from Clemson, and Les Miles, and Whittingham at Utah, and maybe Campbell at Iowa State. And we could have our pick of ANY of those in the "2nd group", but we're in trouble if the list has to drop that far anyhow in reality. No way in the world UT should hafta go past our 6th guy. Currie better not let that happen. 6 guys won't all turn down a big raise. I'd be surprised if we had to go past 3 if the money Currie offers is right. And just to say - I know D'Antonio isn't the beast he's been certain yrs, but he's took a basketball school, and made them a legit Top25 threat every yr CONSISTENTLY. At a school with Michigan, Ohio St, Wisconsin, PennSt, and even Nebraska now, all with better football programs and tradition. He's competed for the conference championship multiple times. I think he'd be solid at Tennessee.
 
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camp_steveo said:
Another thing to consider is that WSU has problems paying him $3M. CUrrie said money is not an issue here at UT.
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Agreed. Washington pays him 2.85mil, and that's not gonna cut it in this day and age in College football. We were paying Butch 4.1mil, and Leach has proven himself way more than Butch had. So Leach could get a 4mil offer from a number of schools needing a jolt and a spark to their football program. We could hand him anything up to 5mil and come away with a decent bargain on a solid coach. If we miss our big targets, I'd be perfectly ok with Mike Leach. Been a fan from afar since his Texas Tech days. We need a jolt!
 
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glhal2814 said:
Well, Alvin Kamara, Josh Dobbs, Josh Malone and Juan Jennings may have something to do with it as well. Just maybe.
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All teams and coaches need the right players to be successful. Look at Jimbo Fisher - lost his starting QB and it all went downhill. Florida's struggles were at QB.

UGA gets the RB's healthy along with a couple of good QB's and Smart looks like a miracle worker.

Would we have struggled if DeBoard was still OC? No one knows - but everyone has an opinion.
 
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leach and currie are not love compatible. currie reminds me of a rich stuck up doctor. leach reminds me of the drunk mechanic you find at your local pub 7 nights a week. no connection to be made between currie and leach. sadly.
 
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And I just don't get the desire for Leach. I think some just want a coach that has good pressers - even if they have not really been able to win in what some would consider a lesser conference.
 
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VolTilWeFall98 said:
Yea, Schiano is going to get an offer from a decent school. I would think after the whole Hugh Freeze infractions situation at Ole Miss that they would hurry and try to grab a straight laced, disciplinarian to clean the mess up, and I figured Schiano would be a good fit there with their situation. I feel like we can do better tho. He's solid tho. Schiano would be a good option down the list. But when you actually start listing coaches in order, there seems to be alot more higher up the list. I'd even take D'Antonio over Schiano I think. You got Peterson, Patterson, Franklin, Fisher, Gruden, (I'd even call Stoops with an 8mil offer regardless of his interest), Leach, and probably D'Antonio.....THEN I'd drop down to Mullen, and Schiano, and Venables from Clemson, and Les Miles, and Whittingham at Utah, and maybe Campbell at Iowa State. And we could have our pick of ANY of those in the "2nd group", but we're in trouble if the list has to drop that far anyhow in reality. No way in the world UT should hafta go past our 6th guy. Currie better not let that happen. 6 guys won't all turn down a big raise. I'd be surprised if we had to go past 3 if the money Currie offers is right. And just to say - I know D'Antonio isn't the beast he's been certain yrs, but he's took a basketball school, and made them a legit Top25 threat every yr CONSISTENTLY. At a school with Michigan, Ohio St, Wisconsin, PennSt, and even Nebraska now, all with better football programs and tradition. He's competed for the conference championship multiple times. I think he'd be solid at Tennessee.
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Of the top tier candidates, only Gruden and Petersen may be listening. Mullen and Schiano would be next and Mullen could end up angling toward Texas A&M and not be that serious of an option. Schiano deserves a long look as he could blend in with some of the current staff - Gillespie, Hoke, Warren - Thigpen? Then hire a top flight OC and get rolling really quick. If Vols cannot land Gruden - Schiano checks all the boxes and could be a real bargain - if other P5 coaches use the Vols for contract leverage which is typical. Gators may run into the same thing if Kelly declines.

Schiano would be able to get the offensive and defensive lines rebuilt - get some tough guys who will knock people on their azz.
 
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knox73 said:
Of the top tier candidates, only Gruden and Petersen may be listening. Mullen and Schiano would be next and Mullen could end up angling toward Texas A&M and not be that serious of an option. Schiano deserves a long look as he could blend in with some of the current staff - Gillespie, Hoke, Warren - Thigpen? Then hire a top flight OC and get rolling really quick. If Vols cannot land Gruden - Schiano checks all the boxes and could be a real bargain - if other P5 coaches use the Vols for contract leverage which is typical. Gators may run into the same thing if Kelly declines.

Schiano would be able to get the offensive and defensive lines rebuilt - get some tough guys who will knock people on their azz.
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Schiano does not check all the boxes. What he may or may not have known at PSU is in question. That should be enough to put him on the proceed with caution list.
 
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VolTilWeFall98 said:
Yea, Schiano is going to get an offer from a decent school. I would think after the whole Hugh Freeze infractions situation at Ole Miss that they would hurry and try to grab a straight laced, disciplinarian to clean the mess up, and I figured Schiano would be a good fit there with their situation. I feel like we can do better tho. He's solid tho. Schiano would be a good option down the list. But when you actually start listing coaches in order, there seems to be alot more higher up the list. I'd even take D'Antonio over Schiano I think. You got Peterson, Patterson, Franklin, Fisher, Gruden, (I'd even call Stoops with an 8mil offer regardless of his interest), Leach, and probably D'Antonio.....THEN I'd drop down to Mullen, and Schiano, and Venables from Clemson, and Les Miles, and Whittingham at Utah, and maybe Campbell at Iowa State. And we could have our pick of ANY of those in the "2nd group", but we're in trouble if the list has to drop that far anyhow in reality. No way in the world UT should hafta go past our 6th guy. Currie better not let that happen. 6 guys won't all turn down a big raise. I'd be surprised if we had to go past 3 if the money Currie offers is right. And just to say - I know D'Antonio isn't the beast he's been certain yrs, but he's took a basketball school, and made them a legit Top25 threat every yr CONSISTENTLY. At a school with Michigan, Ohio St, Wisconsin, PennSt, and even Nebraska now, all with better football programs and tradition. He's competed for the conference championship multiple times. I think he'd be solid at Tennessee.
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Tennessee shouldn't have to go down to 5th,6th etc choice. But I wonder where they can go. Unique year.

UCLA, Florida, Texas A&M, Tennessee, ole Miss, open for sure.

Then how will the chips fall if FSU & Auburn open up? Then Taggart leaves Oregon. How far back would Tennessee be then?

With the ones open now Tennessee is 4th best.

Auburn, FSU, or Oregon open up, or 2 of the 3 , or all 3?

And Tennessee does not have a coach. No telling how far behind Tennessee would be on the list.
 
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knox73 said:
Of the top tier candidates, only Gruden and Petersen may be listening. Mullen and Schiano would be next and Mullen could end up angling toward Texas A&M and not be that serious of an option. Schiano deserves a long look as he could blend in with some of the current staff - Gillespie, Hoke, Warren - Thigpen? Then hire a top flight OC and get rolling really quick. If Vols cannot land Gruden - Schiano checks all the boxes and could be a real bargain - if other P5 coaches use the Vols for contract leverage which is typical. Gators may run into the same thing if Kelly declines.

Schiano would be able to get the offensive and defensive lines rebuilt - get some tough guys who will knock people on their azz.
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Yea, but Peterson makes 4.85mil a year and Patterson makes 5.1mil a year, and Jimbo makes about 5.5 - I think all 3 would be legit options if Currie put 7mil on the table. That's a large raise to all 3. An offer I think their Agents (Butch's agent Jimmy Sexton is also Jimbo's agent too) would push them towards for that kind of offer. And Schiano is a solid college coach. I think he'll do good. I just feel he's down around #8 or so on the list. Some higher won't end up being an option, but we should still aim for the highest we can land. And Leach only makes 2.85mil a yr, and with his resume' and record (especially currently with the lower tier WashSt program always at the bottom of their conference), it wouldn't be hard to land him at all. I've read that he would consider the Arky job for a raise if it comes open. So we would get him in a heartbeat for the same 4.1mil we were paying Butch. I think with his resume', he should be a main target after the Top5. Hopefully it doesn't fall past the Top5 anyhow tho hopefully
 
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vols1707 said:
Tennessee shouldn't have to go down to 5th,6th etc choice. But I wonder where they can go. Unique year.

UCLA, Florida, Texas A&M, Tennessee, ole Miss, open for sure.

Then how will the chips fall if FSU & Auburn open up? Then Taggart leaves Oregon. How far back would Tennessee be then?

With the ones open now Tennessee is 4th best.

Auburn, FSU, or Oregon open up, or 2 of the 3 , or all 3?

And Tennessee does not have a coach. No telling how far behind Tennessee would be on the list.
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But the other schools don't have Neyland Stadium with the crazy vibe of 103k strong. Or play in the SEC East where it's winnable, but still in the SEC. Or have 250mil in renovation upgrades coming to the stadium. And on and on. So I don't think it's as complicated as some think. I believe it comes down to the contract offer, and perks offered along with the job (assistant pay, jet use, ect). If we offer the right deal, we get a top notch coach. I believe it's that simple
 
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volfan102455 said:
All teams and coaches need the right players to be successful. Look at Jimbo Fisher - lost his starting QB and it all went downhill. Florida's struggles were at QB.

UGA gets the RB's healthy along with a couple of good QB's and Smart looks like a miracle worker.

Would we have struggled if DeBoard was still OC? No one knows - but everyone has an opinion.
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I agree. I'm not saying Debord did a bad job. My post was a response to someone's post that stated Debord left and we got Larry Scott and the offense immediately sucked, without the context of what Debord had to work with vs. Larry Scott. Debord had an elite level of talent at the skill positions, including the soon to be best Rookie in the NFL. Any comparison of those two has to acknowledge that fact instead of not even ignoring it.
 
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