To Protect and to Serve II

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n_huffhines said:
You're welcome to feel however you want. Pretend like he's an NFL player escorting a groupie off his property. Now how do you feel?

My take is that police officers shouldn't be able to use any little excuse to escalate violence. If the average Joe did this, there would be charges and they would stick. Police are public employees and they need to be held to a higher standard than the general public. I understand that they must escalate sometimes in self-defense, but that excuse does not fly here.
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Probably should have just cuffed her instead of carrying her out --- cops should know at events like that someone will be taping on the phone
 
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n_huffhines said:
You're welcome to feel however you want. Pretend like he's an NFL player escorting a groupie off his property. Now how do you feel?

My take is that police officers shouldn't be able to use any little excuse to escalate violence. If the average Joe did this, there would be charges and they would stick. Police are public employees and they need to be held to a higher standard than the general public. I understand that they must escalate sometimes in self-defense, but that excuse does not fly here.
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The problem with this is she was drunk and being forcibly taken out of the stadium when she slapped a cop in the face. No matter how you spin it, she started the escalation. There is no judge or jury (except for super liberal places like Kalifornia) that would find fault in the officer defending himself.
 
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VolStrom said:
The problem with this is she was drunk and being forcibly taken out of the stadium when she slapped a cop in the face. No matter how you spin it, she started the escalation. There is no judge or jury (except for super liberal places like Kalifornia) that would find fault in the officer defending himself.
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She's basically helpless and can't even hurt him. She escalated, sure, but she can't hurt him, so it's not defense.

If a baby hits a police officer, can he punch it? Of course that's a ridiculous extreme, but at what point do we say "OK, this person is too vulnerable to merit this kind of response"? A girl so drunk she can barely throw a slap is being carried away by 4 strong men....that's about as vulnerable as it gets.

If you don't find fault in both parties, you're a ****ing douche.
 
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n_huffhines said:
She's basically helpless and can't even hurt him. She escalated, sure, but she can't hurt him, so it's not defense.

If a baby hits a police officer, can he punch it? Of course that's a ridiculous extreme, but at what point do we say "OK, this person is too vulnerable to merit this kind of response"? A girl so drunk she can barely throw a slap is being carried away by 4 strong men....that's about as vulnerable as it gets.

If you don't find fault in both parties, you're a ****ing douche.
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fault? sure. crime, nope. not even close. either way
 
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n_huffhines said:
She's basically helpless and can't even hurt him. She escalated, sure, but she can't hurt him, so it's not defense.

If a baby hits a police officer, can he punch it? Of course that's a ridiculous extreme, but at what point do we say "OK, this person is too vulnerable to merit this kind of response"? A girl so drunk she can barely throw a slap is being carried away by 4 strong men....that's about as vulnerable as it gets.

If you don't find fault in both parties, you're a ****ing douche.
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Come on man. She was fighting them for removing her from the stadium. She wasn't an innocent helpless little girl wearing a sundress sucking a lolly pop. She was drunk and combative and deserved what she got for what she did.

Maybe in your world that is too brutal, but at some time you can't just let people hit you and look the other way.
 
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n_huffhines said:
She's basically helpless and can't even hurt him. She escalated, sure, but she can't hurt him, so it's not defense.

If a baby hits a police officer, can he punch it? Of course that's a ridiculous extreme, but at what point do we say "OK, this person is too vulnerable to merit this kind of response"? A girl so drunk she can barely throw a slap is being carried away by 4 strong men....that's about as vulnerable as it gets.

If you don't find fault in both parties, you're a ****ing douche.
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You should get drunk at a game and slap someone.... anyone...... and see how that works out for ya. Personal responsibility is a MF
 
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VolStrom said:
Come on man. She was fighting them for removing her from the stadium. She wasn't an innocent helpless little girl wearing a sundress sucking a lolly pop. She was drunk and combative and deserved what she got for what she did.

Maybe in your world that is too brutal, but at some time you can't just let people hit you and look the other way.
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This is irrelevant. We agree on her. We're talking about the cop's actions.

I can't even fathom a man who thinks it's OK to KO a woman because she lightly smacked you, let alone being OK with a public servant doing it.

Kids these days.
 
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n_huffhines said:
This is irrelevant. We agree on her. We're talking about the cop's actions.

I can't even fathom a man who thinks it's OK to KO a woman because she lightly smacked you, let alone being OK with a public servant doing it.

Kids these days.
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You know in my heart I agree with you except I have witnessed twice within the last month a stupid drunk ***** going off and slapping a guy. I don't know either couple's story but the chicks were out of control. Kinda made me reevaluate some of my ingrained chauvinistic ideals.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You did realize that's not a cop, right?

It's a private security outfit.
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Outside of you just wanting to protect cops, what difference does it make if it was a cop or not? Just curious why it matters just based on the video.

Was he justified or unjustified in his response?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Outside of you just wanting to protect cops, what difference does it make if it was a cop or not? Just curious why it matters just based on the video.

Was he justified or unjustified in his response?
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I don't believe I'd have blasted her. Was he justified? Probably not ......BUT.... you know me..... don't do something stupid and get yourself in that position
 
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Grand Vol said:
Then I stand corrected. That was not what I received in an email last week.
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Santa said thanks for the advice on the trigger. I'll probably thank you around December 27th, after I've tried it.

Dialed in the Aimpoint PRO today, and the Magpul BUS. Took awhile...had to move the front post to get everything in line...but old as I am, I am officially deadly out to 100 yards, which is our limit where we shoot.

I had a 5-round group...kneeling...measure at 1.4", at 100 yards. Never before.

Thanks, GV.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Outside of you just wanting to protect cops, what difference does it make if it was a cop or not? Just curious why it matters just based on the video.

Was he justified or unjustified in his response?
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Legally, he's justified. Civilly, probably not--up to and including termination.
 
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