To Protect and to Serve II

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hog88 said:
Are we supposed to feel bad for her?
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You're welcome to feel however you want. Pretend like he's an NFL player escorting a groupie off his property. Now how do you feel?

My take is that police officers shouldn't be able to use any little excuse to escalate violence. If the average Joe did this, there would be charges and they would stick. Police are public employees and they need to be held to a higher standard than the general public. I understand that they must escalate sometimes in self-defense, but that excuse does not fly here.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You're welcome to feel however you want. Pretend like he's an NFL player escorting a groupie off his property. Now how do you feel?

My take is that police officers shouldn't be able to use any little excuse to escalate violence. If the average Joe did this, there would be charges and they would stick. Police are public employees and they need to be held to a higher standard than the general public. I understand that they must escalate sometimes in self-defense, but that excuse does not fly here.
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I would be against a regular joe being charged for this.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You're welcome to feel however you want. Pretend like he's an NFL player escorting a groupie off his property. Now how do you feel?

My take is that police officers shouldn't be able to use any little excuse to escalate violence. If the average Joe did this, there would be charges and they would stick. Police are public employees and they need to be held to a higher standard than the general public. I understand that they must escalate sometimes in self-defense, but that excuse does not fly here.
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There was an college football player a few years ago that had to deal with a drunk skank and the public outrage around that situation was far different than what I'm seeing after this incident. I think deep down, America has a perverted fetish for men in uniforms... particularly state authoritarian uniforms. A cop or law enforcement officer can do anything up to murder and a soldier that was probably washing dishes in Germany still gets a "thank you for your service" from the majority of people.
 
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Also, this will surely result in a settlement. The officer probably won't be punished by the legal system, but the people will.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
There was an college football player a few years ago that had to deal with a drunk skank and the public outrage around that situation was far different than what I'm seeing after this incident. I think deep down, America has a perverted fetish for men in uniforms... particularly state authoritarian uniforms. A cop or law enforcement officer can do anything up to murder and a soldier that was probably washing dishes in Germany still gets a "thank you for your service" from the majority of people.
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you mean the one where her face got smashed in or the one where he beat her on the ground?
 
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hog88 said:
I would be against a regular joe being charged for this.
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That's fine and all. In fact, I may actually agree with you. The simple fact is our regular Joe would be cuffed, arrested, taken to jail, have to post bail, and be on the cover of Just Busted the next day. He would then be charged and almost certainly convicted of aggravated assault.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
That's fine and all. In fact, I may actually agree with you. The simple fact is our regular Joe would be cuffed, arrested, taken to jail, have to post bail, and be on the cover of Just Busted the next day. He would then be charged and almost certainly convicted of aggravated assault.
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Probably so, it may just be that lately I've developed a real low tolerance for drunk *******s of either sex.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You're welcome to feel however you want. Pretend like he's an NFL player escorting a groupie off his property. Now how do you feel?

My take is that police officers shouldn't be able to use any little excuse to escalate violence. If the average Joe did this, there would be charges and they would stick. Police are public employees and they need to be held to a higher standard than the general public. I understand that they must escalate sometimes in self-defense, but that excuse does not fly here.
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Probably should have just cuffed her instead of carrying her out --- cops should know at events like that someone will be taping on the phone
 
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n_huffhines said:
You're welcome to feel however you want. Pretend like he's an NFL player escorting a groupie off his property. Now how do you feel?

My take is that police officers shouldn't be able to use any little excuse to escalate violence. If the average Joe did this, there would be charges and they would stick. Police are public employees and they need to be held to a higher standard than the general public. I understand that they must escalate sometimes in self-defense, but that excuse does not fly here.
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The problem with this is she was drunk and being forcibly taken out of the stadium when she slapped a cop in the face. No matter how you spin it, she started the escalation. There is no judge or jury (except for super liberal places like Kalifornia) that would find fault in the officer defending himself.
 
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VolStrom said:
The problem with this is she was drunk and being forcibly taken out of the stadium when she slapped a cop in the face. No matter how you spin it, she started the escalation. There is no judge or jury (except for super liberal places like Kalifornia) that would find fault in the officer defending himself.
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She's basically helpless and can't even hurt him. She escalated, sure, but she can't hurt him, so it's not defense.

If a baby hits a police officer, can he punch it? Of course that's a ridiculous extreme, but at what point do we say "OK, this person is too vulnerable to merit this kind of response"? A girl so drunk she can barely throw a slap is being carried away by 4 strong men....that's about as vulnerable as it gets.

If you don't find fault in both parties, you're a ****ing douche.
 
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n_huffhines said:
She's basically helpless and can't even hurt him. She escalated, sure, but she can't hurt him, so it's not defense.

If a baby hits a police officer, can he punch it? Of course that's a ridiculous extreme, but at what point do we say "OK, this person is too vulnerable to merit this kind of response"? A girl so drunk she can barely throw a slap is being carried away by 4 strong men....that's about as vulnerable as it gets.

If you don't find fault in both parties, you're a ****ing douche.
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fault? sure. crime, nope. not even close. either way
 
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n_huffhines said:
She's basically helpless and can't even hurt him. She escalated, sure, but she can't hurt him, so it's not defense.

If a baby hits a police officer, can he punch it? Of course that's a ridiculous extreme, but at what point do we say "OK, this person is too vulnerable to merit this kind of response"? A girl so drunk she can barely throw a slap is being carried away by 4 strong men....that's about as vulnerable as it gets.

If you don't find fault in both parties, you're a ****ing douche.
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Come on man. She was fighting them for removing her from the stadium. She wasn't an innocent helpless little girl wearing a sundress sucking a lolly pop. She was drunk and combative and deserved what she got for what she did.

Maybe in your world that is too brutal, but at some time you can't just let people hit you and look the other way.
 
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n_huffhines said:
She's basically helpless and can't even hurt him. She escalated, sure, but she can't hurt him, so it's not defense.

If a baby hits a police officer, can he punch it? Of course that's a ridiculous extreme, but at what point do we say "OK, this person is too vulnerable to merit this kind of response"? A girl so drunk she can barely throw a slap is being carried away by 4 strong men....that's about as vulnerable as it gets.

If you don't find fault in both parties, you're a ****ing douche.
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You should get drunk at a game and slap someone.... anyone...... and see how that works out for ya. Personal responsibility is a MF
 
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VolStrom said:
Come on man. She was fighting them for removing her from the stadium. She wasn't an innocent helpless little girl wearing a sundress sucking a lolly pop. She was drunk and combative and deserved what she got for what she did.

Maybe in your world that is too brutal, but at some time you can't just let people hit you and look the other way.
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This is irrelevant. We agree on her. We're talking about the cop's actions.

I can't even fathom a man who thinks it's OK to KO a woman because she lightly smacked you, let alone being OK with a public servant doing it.

Kids these days.
 
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