Dan Mullen thread (merged)

#877
#877
I'm done. I hope that our administration is smart enough to pass on a mediocre candidate. I am confident that we won't have to go far enough down our list to get to Mullen.
 
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Volstylexx said:
He may be better than Butch. I agree. But he’s not significantly better... and if we apply the standards that we apply to Butch at TN, you’re wrong- Mississippi State is no more relevant than TN. He and Butch have won the same number of division titles, same number of wins over Bama, and usually finish about the same place.

Mississippi State is irrelevant.
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Here's the point. State and UT have different ceilings. He was able to get Miss State to a number 1 ranking at one point. That's significant. He's not my number 1 pick, but he would be a great upgrade.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
You can’t equally or fairly apply “the standards we have on Butch at Tennessee” to Mullen at Miss State.
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Likewise bud.

So, just so we’re clear. We should hold Butch accountable for never winning the East, never beating Bama and a mediocre record... but we shouldn’t apply that standard to the coach we replace him with? I’d ask if you really believe that, but sadly it’s clear you actually do.
 
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TJ1985 said:
Here's the point. State and UT have different ceilings. He was able to get Miss State to a number 1 ranking at one point. That's significant. He's not my number 1 pick, but he would be a great upgrade.
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To quote a Mullen Apologist, "How long did that last?" His number one ranking did not hold up against any reasonable competition.

For what it's worth. He's an upgrade over our current coach, but he's far from my first pick.
 
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HuntsVol_AL said:
Read more carefully! I said that Mullen is better than Butch.
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I read exactly what you said.

You can’t evenly, or fairly, compare Mullen’s record and Butch’s. That’s exactly what you are doing.

Butch has a program that is easy to recruit to and has the easier schedule compared to a Miss State programs that’s been the doormat of the SEC that has severe recruiting disadvantages and is in the toughest division in football.

I agree with you that Mullen is better than Butch as a blanket statement. However, to say he’s slightly better shows a lack of football IQ on your part. He’s done well at a historically losing program. If he can win at a 60% rate at a program with a mid 40% all time percentage, that speaks measures about a coach’s ability. You’re blind if you don’t see that.
 
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Volstylexx said:
Likewise bud.

So, just so we’re clear. We should hold Butch accountable for never winning the East, never beating Bama and a mediocre record... but we shouldn’t apply that standard to the coach we replace him with? I’d ask if you really believe that, but sadly it’s clear you actually do.
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We should Butch accountable for not winning SEC titles.

Name any time in history where Miss State has had national title expectations and have made coaching changes because of failure to do that
 
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HuntsVol_AL said:
To quote a Mullen Apologist, "How long did that last?" His number one ranking did not hold up against any reasonable competition.
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I agree. What really matters is championships. I will say though, for me at least, I was on cloud 9 when Pearl got the bball team to that #1 ranking. It was a great bit of recruiting and coaching, especially considering we aren't one of the blue bloods. It was short lived, but sweet.
Apples and oranges, I know.

I'm not a Mullen apologist, but I know a good coach when I see one. He was a great OC with Urbie, and has done well at his current stop, especially considering the school and resources. Like I said earlier, he's not my top choice, but I think he'd be a definite upgrade.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
We should Butch accountable for not winning SEC titles.

Name any time in history where Miss State has had national title expectations and have made coaching changes because of failure to do that
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Miss State’s culture of expecting less has nothing to do with it because we WILL expect more - and he’s not proven he can do that.

No one is arguing that Mullen isn’t better than Butch or that he hasn’t done a “good” job relative to the expectations at MSU. The last two times we hired coaches that hadn’t won at our level of expectations - how has that turned out for us?

If we’re swinging for the fences and a proven winner- this isn’t it.
 
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TJ1985 said:
I agree. What really matters is championships. I will say though, for me at least, I was on cloud 9 when Pearl got the bball team to that #1 ranking. It was a great bit of recruiting and coaching, especially considering we aren't one of the blue bloods. It was short lived, but sweet.
Apples and oranges, I know.

I'm not a Mullen apologist, but I know a good coach when I see one. He was a great OC with Urbie, and has done well at his current stop, especially considering the school and resources. Like I said earlier, he's not my top choice, but I think he'd be a definite upgrade.
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Highly agree!
 
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So to all of those who made your objections to Mullen coming here, please tell me how Mullen would NOT be good at Tennessee. I mean his 3* team is beating Alabama right now.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
You dont know that
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I know a lot about his situation. I'm a lot closer to Starkville and the State program than most UT fans on here that live in Knox and just assume that the man is going to up and leave.

He never left for Florida. He never left for Penn State. His wife loves Starkville. Dan loves Starkville. He's got a great team coming back next season. He's not making the jump, and he's not coming to UT. Sexton is floating his name to get more money for his client. We have a better chance of landing Gruden than Mullen.
 
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gordonr24 said:
I know a lot about his situation. I'm a lot closer to Starkville and the State program than most UT fans on here that live in Knox and just assume that the man is going to up and leave.

He never left for Florida. He never left for Penn State. His wife loves Starkville. Dan loves Starkville. He's got a great team coming back next season. He's not making the jump, and he's not coming to UT. Sexton is floating his name to get more money for his client. We have a better chance of landing Gruden than Mullen.
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Thank God!
 
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