Recruiting Forum Football Talk XLII

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if he ends up not coming, it will be his decision.. no one on this side is opposed..



Above is latest from LWS. Sounds like we are all in.
 
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LA Vol said:
UT has always had a thrifty mentality. Three decades of homegrown bleed-orange football coaches reinforced the belief that UT could get the same results for less. The university is being dragged kicking and screaming into the brave new world where you have to spend more to get more. They'll spend more this time... they'll have to in order to secure donations for that pricey reno. Tit for tat.
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So it’s Johnny’s fault for coming back and getting us to respectable status in the cheap. Of course he also hired a young Jon Gruden as a GA so maybe we can forgive him.
 
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jspvol76 said:
This kind of optimism, if you want to call it that, from LWS is telling.
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At this point it would be foolish to think there isn't an effort from Tennessee to hire John Gruden. I much like LWS is saying see very little chance the most important piece of the puzzle agrees to take the job.
 
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jspvol76 said:
This kind of optimism, if you want to call it that, from LWS is telling.
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Yep. It’s extremely real and not the fantasy some claim it is.

Still no guarantee he is coming, and we are far from that it seems.

But it is interesting to follow!
 
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UT has always pursued Gruden. He knows the door has always been open. He's just never wanted to coach college football. But he never completely closes the door. This dance has been going on for a long time.
 
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Smh. And we have posters swinging on the beavers nuts


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Beav on Twitter:

It is funny to see Sexton try and push Mullen on us. Thankfully, Currie and Haslam are both smart enough to know that know that Mullen will cause an even bigger #EmptyNeyland movement.
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volsnvikes said:
So it’s Johnny’s fault for coming back and getting us to respectable status in the cheap. Of course he also hired a young Jon Gruden as a GA so maybe we can forgive him.
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The big mistake was not hiring Johnny, and instead hiring Battle.
 
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LA Vol said:
UT has always pursued Gruden. He knows the door has always been open. He's just never wanted to coach college football. But he never completely closes the door. This dance has been going on for a long time.
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He LOVES the attention.

People forget but his last few years in Tampa, while solid, were pretty stagnant and he wore out his welcome there. His name wasn't in a great light nationally - which is why he took the broadcasting gig. It's funny how TV can repair an image so quickly.

I'm not saying he'd be unsuccessful here but he loves being the "it" guy in every coaching search in both pro and college football. Consider me skeptical he wants to test himself and ruin that image.
 
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utvols88 said:
Mullen would be a good hire. but Gruden is epic based on a really high ceiling.
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Agreed but let's not act like this fan base wouldn't accept Mullen.

Funny thing is last week beaver was calling out Currie on twitter and this week he is saying how smart he is. Little bit of contradiction going on
 
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LA Vol said:
UT has always pursued Gruden. He knows the door has always been open. He's just never wanted to coach college football. But he never completely closes the door. This dance has been going on for a long time.
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Phrasing answers certain ways makes it easier in the future if things change I would guess.

"I don't know how close,"
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"Tennessee is a dream job for a lot of people, me included. Timing wasn't right,"
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Its an intriguing situation to watch for sure.
 
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WallyBalls said:
I don't even think 10/per for Gruden sounds that insane. You've already got two guys making around that.

Hell, we live in a world where Rich Rod is pulling in $5M. The market is still insane.
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Here's what I think is insane. The net of taxes value of ticket sales for our 7 home football games is our football budget and no more. All money from the NCAA/SEC goes to something other than football. All donations for football season tickets go to something other than football. All monies generated by media distribution rights for football goes to something other than football. All net receipts from concessions and apparrel sales for football go to something other than football. Football gets absolutely none of that. Zero. Nada. Not a red cent. Not a damn penny. Football generates $107m in revenues, spends maybe $28m, and has to pay $79m in taxes to the athletic department.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Here's what I think is insane. The net of taxes value of ticket sales for our 7 home football games is our football budget and no more. All money from the NCAA/SEC goes to something other than football. All donations for football season tickets go to something other than football. All monies generated by media distribution rights for football goes to something other than football. All net receipts from concessions and apparrel sales for football go to something other than football. Football gets absolutely none of that. Zero. Nada. Not a red cent. Not a damn penny. Football generates $107m in revenues, spends maybe $28m, and has to pay $79m in taxes to the athletic department.
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The truth is hard to accept at times. They used the no money thing for so long the fans bought it.
 
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BruinVol said:
Agreed but let's not act like this fan base wouldn't accept Mullen.

Funny thing is last week beaver was calling out Currie on twitter and this week he is saying how smart he is. Little bit of contradiction going on
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oh they would accept him. absolutely. we accepted Dooley ffs
 
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Kingston Vol said:
He LOVES the attention.

People forget but his last few years in Tampa, while solid, were pretty stagnant and he wore out his welcome there. His name wasn't in a great light nationally - which is why he took the broadcasting gig. It's funny how TV can repair an image so quickly.

I'm not saying he'd be unsuccessful here but he loves being the "it" guy in every coaching search in both pro and college football. Consider me skeptical he wants to test himself and ruin that image.
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One of the last things he'd want is to turn Knoxville against him. It's his haven-- somewhere he's recognized and loved everywhere he goes. That's why they've been looking for a second home here. IDT he'll risk messing that up, unless coaching college football at UT is something he really wants to do. Maybe it's on his bucket list... and someday is now. Otherwise, he'll give the money a pass and keep the door open.
 
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Vols4us said:
The truth is hard to accept at times. They used the no money thing for so long the fans bought it.
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It still baffles me that no one could just look at Alabama and see that spending money on football raises the floor for everything the university is involved in. More out-of-state admissions, better Olympic sport programs, more money overall.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Him flaming out is definitely a bigger possibility than people are suggesting.

He's a very good football coach. And he's a B list celebrity so recruiting is going to be a breeze. However, I do question if he would be able to identify talent on the high school level at a high rate right away. Also I very much doubt he would enjoy recruiting and the ass kissing it takes to sign a 17 year old WR.

And we don't know if he knows how to cheat effectively. Every program does it - does he know how to get away with it?
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I think a lot of this would depend on his coaching staff and his support staff. Would he have the two Bobs like Butch had to help him evaluate talent?
 
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That Beav tweet brings up one question I do have with Mullen though. How much of this interest is Mullen and Sexton digging for a raise vs Sexton trying to push another one of his clients on us? Sexton just makes makes me nervous.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
That Beav tweet brings up one question I do have with Mullen though. How much of this interest is Mullen and Sexton digging for a raise vs Sexton trying to push another one of his clients on us? Sexton just makes makes me nervous.
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Both things are probably true. We're interested in Mullen, he's interested in us, and he also would like a raise.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
That Beav tweet brings up one question I do have with Mullen though. How much of this interest is Mullen and Sexton digging for a raise vs Sexton trying to push another one of his clients on us? Sexton just makes makes me nervous.
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What is the tweet? Missed it.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Both things are probably true. We're interested in Mullen, he's interested in us, and he also would like a raise.
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I listened to Floyd Reese last week and was talking about Sexton and McElwain at UF and the dirty world of sporting agents. He painted Sexton and agents overall in a bad light. Sexton already has a stranglehold on the SEC HC carousel and is going to use that to get more money in his pocket.
 
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