Recruiting Forum Football Talk XLII

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Dooby15 said:
IMO the argument of Gruden not wanting to deal with 18-20 year old kids is a moot point. The NFL now is by far not the same league that Gruden coached in, and he knows that. At this point 18-20 year olds might be easier to deal with.
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This is not the case at all.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Kimber's a nice gun, but there are reliable reports of some Kimbers being finicky about feeding certain ammo. Just what I've heard, including from guys whose lives depend on a reliable weapon.
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This is true. I've swapped all my Kimber mags for Wilson combat, and haven't had a FTF or fte since.
 
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I think everyone knows there's no guarantees in life. Is Gruden guaranteed to be worth 10 million? Probably not.
Is spending 10 million on him as safe of a bet as spending over 100 million on stadium renovations? Both in hope to keep fan interest in football.

It's been my experience fans will fill Neyland no matter the condition, as long as they are excited about the prospect of winning. 10 million would seem the safer bet, at least to me. If we should pull off the impossible and get him, I know I'm going to the games.
 
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Context

Football has generated around $500,000,000 total revenues for us over the past 5 years.

We've spent around $125,000,000 of those revenues on football over the past 5 years.

We've spent around $375,000,000 of those revenues on something other than football over the last 5 years.

In the past Larry (LWS) has bemoaned his belief that the powers behind Tennessee football are NOT committed to doing what it takes to Make the Power T great again on the football field.

There's some chatter out there that the powers behind Tennessee football may be considering increasing the net spending on football by as much as $8m per year or a total of some $40m over 5 years.

In other words, increase football spending to $165,000,000 for the next 5 years and even without any increase in revenues (conservative assumption) we'll be down to spending only $335,000,000 of our football revenues on stuff that is not football.

We all learn early on in life that the only 2 guarantees in this world that you can truly count on without any second thoughts are death and taxes. We learn this probably around age 16 at the latest once we have our first part time job. You have to know this answer in order to graduate from HS in America. I think it's a law.

Given his previously stated loss of faith in our football powers that be, for him to now raise questions about whether it's worth it for those powers to go after Gruden with determination is remarkably entertaining.

For us this is called breaking the bank by insiders. I see it more as stealing less of our football revenues. Call it a small tax cut for the earners and less of a subsidy for the leaches.

This is why I like Larry. I'm serious. I have a lot of genuine respect for his perspective on things but you have to admit for a 70 year old man some of the times he is just a really fun guy.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Him flaming out is definitely a bigger possibility than people are suggesting.

He's a very good football coach. And he's a B list celebrity so recruiting is going to be a breeze. However, I do question if he would be able to identify talent on the high school level at a high rate right away. Also I very much doubt he would enjoy recruiting and the ass kissing it takes to sign a 17 year old WR.

And we don't know if he knows how to cheat effectively. Every program does it - does he know how to get away with it?
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Every successful Head Coach has a good staff. His responsibility is to manage the program. IMO surround yourself with good recruiters and Xs & Os coaches.
 
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chargervol said:
I think everyone knows there's no guarantees in life. Is Gruden guaranteed to be worth 10 million? Probably not.
Is spending 10 million on him as safe of a bet as spending over 100 million on stadium renovations? Both in hope to keep fan interest in football.

It's been my experience fans will fill Neyland no matter the condition, as long as they are excited about the prospect of winning. 10 million would seem the safer bet, at least to me. If we should pull off the impossible and get him, I know I'm going to the games.
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If we land him, the spring game attendance will mirror Saban's first one.
 
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The arguement that Gruden isn’t a sure thing so you don’t go all in for him wouldn’t work in recruiting. “Well this kid isn’t a sure thing so we might as well not throw everything at him.”

The reason you pay “too much” for Gruden is the same reason you over recruit for a kid that will contribute very little. You are trying to out pursue your competitor.

The reason Gruden is worth the money is you went further than your rivals were willing to go to win. It eventually pays off.
 
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There isn't a single coach on the list that's a 'sure thing' - every one comes with questions.

With Gruden I see two important things

1. It's going to be a hell of a ride
2. It will demonstrate that the administration takes this seriously - which is in doubt right now
 
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SergeantVol said:
Every successful Head Coach has a good staff. His responsibility is to manage the program. IMO surround yourself with good recruiters and Xs & Os coaches.
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If it's Gruden, this is the path I think he takes. Be the CEO of UT Football...surround yourself with the most talented staff you can assemble...always be looking for the innovators and rising stars...play aggressive on both sides of the ball...hire and groom your successor so that you can "retire" in 10-15 years as the "Man Who Saved Tennessee Football".


Make' em figure out where to put your statue.


Go Vols.
 
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Elsewhere in the big leagues

The University of Michigan expects to spend a school-record $180.4 million to run its athletic department in 2017-18 while predicting a record $182.4 million in revenue.

That's according to the annual budget approved by the university's regents Thursday afternoon.

UM Athletic Director Warde Manuel's budget represents an $8 million boost in revenue versus an $8.4 million increase in spending over last year's reconciled budget. The June to June budget estimates are even wider: Michigan expects to spend $19.4 million more on athletics in 2017-18 than it expected to spend going into the current year, and it forecasts that it will collect nearly $21 million more than it thought it would at the start of the 2016-17 year.

The athletic department said it expects to end the current academic year with a $2.4 million surplus, which is an improvement over its budget estimate going into the year.

In June 2016, the department pitched a $161 million budget, with $161.8 million in expected revenue, to the regents. That has subsequently shaken out as $174.4 million in revenue versus $172 million in operating expenses, according to Thursday's report to the regents.

The department attributes the increased revenue in the 2016-17 budget to healthier Big Ten Conference distributions and from the switch to Nike Inc. as Michigan's new apparel supplier under a deal that could be worth as much as $174 million long-term. UM also said it took in more season ticket money than expected.

Expenses were more costly than originally planned for 2016-17 because of "an increase in compensation expense, team and game expense, and an increase in the deferred maintenance fund transfer," the department said.
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UM athletics predicts record spending, revenue for 2017-18 | Crain's Detroit Business
 
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I don't even think 10/per for Gruden sounds that insane. You've already got two guys making around that.

Hell, we live in a world where Rich Rod is pulling in $5M. The market is still insane.
 
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UT has always had a thrifty mentality. Three decades of homegrown bleed-orange football coaches reinforced the belief that UT could get the same results for less. The university is being dragged kicking and screaming into the brave new world where you have to spend more to get more. They'll spend more this time... they'll have to in order to secure donations for that pricey reno. Tit for tat.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I'm saying it's still day and night a better situation from a personality/ego management perspective than college coaching and recruiting.
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So you’re saying NFL player personalities / egos are night and day easier to manage than college players?
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Him flaming out is definitely a bigger possibility than people are suggesting.

He's a very good football coach. And he's a B list celebrity so recruiting is going to be a breeze. However, I do question if he would be able to identify talent on the high school level at a high rate right away. Also I very much doubt he would enjoy recruiting and the ass kissing it takes to sign a 17 year old WR.

And we don't know if he knows how to cheat effectively. Every program does it - does he know how to get away with it?
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I think he would do well but in no way do I think it's an automatic like Saban, Meyer and Harbaugh were. I'm not sure he's worth the financial risk.
 
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LA Vol said:
UT has always had a thrifty mentality. Three decades of homegrown bleed-orange football coaches reinforced the belief that UT could get the same results for less. The university is being dragged kicking and screaming into the brave new world where you have to spend more to get more. They'll spend more this time... they'll have to in order to secure donations for that pricey reno. Tit for tat.
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Agreed.
 
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