Official Jon Gruden Thread XXVI

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DuckRiverVol said:
The boosters have Gruden locked up...
Just as they did in 2012.

What is the hold up with the athletic administration?
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Honestly I think we have some soft snowflakes over in the athletic department that want power and say so in everything that goes on. Hopefully we finall have the people in place to set them straight
 
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MIT_Beaver said:
What do you think he is doing with the Gruden deal?
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I’m sure a lot of boosters want to make it happen. But we need results, and not just “well, we tried, but Haslam wants to keep control.”

If (when?) this falls through, people need to be called out. The fan base should know the truth about what happened (all of this is assuming Gruden would even accept, of course).
 
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Hopefully there is enough info out now and dots connected to avoid the rollercoaster until this becomes public.

(just giving myself a pep talk)
 
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volgr said:
I thought about that, but the AA side has no leverage in this situation if the reports about boosters forming a unified front on this are true. If the report is untrue and they are more disorganized like they were in 2012, then it could be used as leverage for sure.
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Player safety and CTE protocol is absolutely leverage. If you want to reduce it to a questions of $$ vs $$, it's the threat of the boosters withholding funds to the threat of families or even class actions suing over injury or risk of injury.

I'm not saying it gives the AA control. I'm saying that it gives them easy ammo that they didn't have before Saturday night. One thing I always advise my clients when giving depositions, testimony, or engaging in negotiations, is never give the other side a bullet they can fire back at you.

In this case, it was very bad fortune, first and foremost for BK, but also for Butch and the program. But like I said before, if part of the protocol involved placing the burden on student athletes to "self diagnose" concussions...that could be very bad for the school.
 
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What the crap is Haslem doing??? Half say he’s the answer and now we find out he’s the problem?? I’m as baffled by all of this as anything. This is above my pay grade.
 
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jtipto10 said:
I'm sorry, you can explain what both you and MIT mean here? I think I missed a step somewhere.
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Haslam has controlled the AD for some time (see 2012 & Currie hire). The other booster's are tired of it and presented an ultimatum to the school in the form of a new coach/restructured AD or they go home. UT needs their $$ (see Neyland renos, other new buildings). Academic obstructions cleared out by the introduction of VC into the mix. Only obstacle now is Haslam. Only card he has is control of Currie. Ergen led boosters have all the other cards. Turning up the pressure on Haslam bit by bit.
 
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Coastypop said:
Had to post again after this.... CONFIRMATION!!!!

Now we KNOW :hi:
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I wish I could jump on board that easily. I wish somebody that knew would just come out and say one way or the other....is Daddy Haslam riding the Grude train, or is he trying to switch the tracks for some reason. For me, this Haslam piece is the most confusing. Is he in or out?

Supposedly, he put up money for the buyout, but he isn't on board with Gruden?

Gruden supposedly bought a house from the Haslams and/or has stayed there while in town.

Is the family trying to woo him to the Browns?

I just wish somebody would spell this part out. Everything else seems to be a little more obvious.
 
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Coastypop said:
All thread on any board are simply opinions.... we are NOT the News
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Exactly, this is all opinions and little fact. This is evident by some saying the problem is Currie, others say that it is Haslam, and others say it is someone else. There is no basis for any information in this thread. After reading through several of these threads it is becoming evident that no one knows anything here.

I hope it is Gruden, but am trending away from this will happen. I think the reason that they have not announced that Butch is out is because they do not have a candidate to replace him in the back channels. (Just contributing the exact thing I am criticizing.)
 
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Weird moment on Sports 180 just now... Josh and Will’s mikes were left on during commercial and you could hear them talking and they referred to “A Leak” and then to “Brett Kendrick’s Dad” and then after commercial a weird dead air for a couple minutes...
 
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UTLEGEND said:
Agreed. But the only thing imo that would justify their poor handling of everything would be having Chuckie in the bag as Tennessee's next coach. The positive attention that it would bring to our brand would be so immense. Even greater than the Saban hire at that time. Any negativity about UT would be a forgotten thought

If Gruden is indeed a done deal I could see Currie being handcuffed knowing this storm will soon pass

Soon!
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CPVOL said:
I'd said before, Currie must have the deal wrapped up and is just waiting to announce. Otherwise, this whole situation is one where other AD's would reference on how not to handle a coaching change. I just can't believe any AD could manage the situation this poorly on purpose.
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Chatt Vol said:
I’m on board with this
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'Boro-vol said:
I'm leaning strongly this direction based on a couple of things.

I don't believe Currie is the bad guy here. I'm told he's very well liked by the power brokers, and they were very impressed with his prep for the coaching "search".

I think he is actually the one pushing for the shift back to more of an independent AD...and it's causing academic heartburn . He may end up being the hero in all of this when he pulls it off.

We'll see....I think we are trending correctly, and recent "events" have been a speed bump.
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I'd like to add that, even if he has to give up control (ala Saban) to the HC JG, he'll ultimately have more control over an autonomous Athletic Department. Part of the win win for everyone?
 
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VolsFanJC said:
I understand your position now and completely agree with you as to the uncertainty of the legality aspect of releasing him for cause.

My position was that ultimately the culture influenced and policies set forth are the HC's responsibility. Any breach in policy or deviation from the SOP would require action. Especially in this case, where there is a protocol in place, a culture of safety first, and his responsibility to ensure dissemination of information and education of staff on the concussion protocol. That places the ultimate responsibility on him. Alot of different scenarios here, such as, his staff were not properly trained, there was an atmosphere of win at all cost, an atmosphere on some level of fear to tell the HC about this and not continuing to try to keep play him, or his staff took it upon themselves to deviate from protocol or SOP.
I am not versed in the legalities of the evidence needed for releasing for cause so my opinion is there is alot of grey here. So, yeah, I definitely agree with you on the ability to release him for cause. And also agree that it would look very underhanded on the Universities part in the court of public opinion. Lord knows the UT brand has been tarnished enough as is.
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:hi:
 
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"I think a lot of what the Haslam family has done philanthropically but Jimmy missed the class on sports management"......Basilio
 
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3rdDegreeVol said:
Haslam has controlled the AD for some time (see 2012 & Currie hire). The other booster's are tired of it and presented an ultimatum to the school in the form of a new coach/restructured AD or they go home. UT needs their $$ (see Neyland renos, other new buildings). Academic obstructions cleared out by the introduction of VC into the mix. Only obstacle now is Haslam. Only card he has is control of Currie. Ergen led boosters have all the other cards. Turning up the pressure on Haslam bit by bit.
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Excellent summary. This should be stickied.
 
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