Recruiting Forum Football Talk XLI

[volfanCLT]

Kendrick is listed as "out" for the game Saturday.

Hoping Butch will also be listed as “out” for Saturday’s game

 

[InVOLuntary]

That was at the end of the game

It was also reported that he wasn't acting right on the field. I don't know where I saw it, probably volquest but don't ask me to find it.

 

[Sugaray13]

Ok. I agree he likely wasn't evaluated


It 120% isn't Butches job to evaluate players for concussions

Maybe not evaluate but coaches have a pretty good idea if a player is concussed or not. If they have any thought that they are they have to be checked out and cleared by medical personnel before they are able to play again. Concussion protocol.

 

[WarMachine]

Ah the exception to the rule. Nice sleuthing there Tex.

You said you had never seen it. I just gave you an example. You're welcome.

 

[bignewt]

You telling me Butch didn't angrily question Wells, probably multiple times, on why Kentucky had put up a tent and started a fire on top of JG?

And you want me to believe Wells didn't look in the face of BK and have a clue that his bell had been rung?

I find that hard to believe.

If that was the case it shouldn't of been a tough decision to replace someone who was not performing all that well.

 

[LA Vol]

Puking on the field isn't unheard of.

Puking while watching UT play isn't unheard of anywhere this season.

 

[volfanCLT]

This won’t be something that will get Butch fired “for cause” but it could be enough for Currie to finally pull the trigger.

 

[BruinVol]

Actually puking on the sidelines is not all that uncommon.

No but it is a sign of being concussed. A player would certainly be evaluated at that point

 

[jave36]

Puking is normal?

In. The. Final. Seconds. Don't let your passion to fire butch force you to ignore important details.

 

[BigZiti09]

It was also reported that he wasn't acting right on the field. I don't know where I saw it, probably volquest but don't ask me to find it.

It was in the article. Said he missed assignments. That's par for the course though.

 

[BruinVol]

It was also reported that he wasn't acting right on the field. I don't know where I saw it, probably volquest but don't ask me to find it.

Things a medical staff should see

 

[therickbol]

With all of these insiders being repeatedly discredited and the fact that boosters and administration still seemingly aren't on the same page, I think everyone should brace for impact.

Nothing has changed. A decade of misery and we've still got people more interested in swinging their johnsons around than actually, you know, fixing the football program. Our top division rivals are firing 10-win coaches while our university president is dancing over trips to the Gator Bowl.

I'd say we're Nebraska now, but given the Huskers' record over the last ten years as compared to ours, it would be unfair to Nebraska.

You just contradicted your entire point before the end of your first sentence. Boosters and Admin not being on the same page are only rumors. Same "insiders" that have been discredited as you say.

 

[BeecherVol]

Not anymore. They literally have no authority over the medical staff.

Over rule? Totally agree.

The practice of "hiding" players from trainers has been going on for ever. That hasn't changed even with the new focus on head injuries. Once a player gets to the trainers, the coach no longer has a decision to make.

As stated before, I don' necessarily believe that happened here in this case. But its the only way Jones or the staff can be tied to it.

 

[WarMachine]

If that was the case it shouldn't of been a tough decision to replace someone who was not performing all that well.

I agree. Who did they have as options? I think we are down to a former TE converted to tackle. What if Butch said no way, I need this win too much?

I have no idea if that happened, obviously, but the depth was/is a real issue.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

This. It's naive to think at least someone on the staff didn't notice something was wrong.

Yup. Naive to think any football coach or player that has been around football his whole life didn’t see any signs of it.

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

In. The. Final. Seconds. Don't let your passion to fire butch force you to ignore important details.

Butch needed to go before this. Stuff like blows up because the AD, at least on the surface, doesn’t seem to be handling it well.

 

[bignewt]

Aug. 28, 2015: Illinois fires football coach Tim Beckman over mishandling of injuries - Chicago Tribune

Just read through this story, didn't see concussion mentioned once.

 

[bignewt]

I agree. Who did they have as options? I think we are down to a former TE converted to tackle. What if Butch said no way, I need this win too much?

I have no idea if that happened, obviously, but the depth was/is a real issue.

This isn't Varsity Blues.

 

[BigZiti09]

Butch is currently holding a presser about the game this coming weekend. Business as usual.

 

[InVOLuntary]

In your attempt to be as passive aggressive as you can be, you made some really large leaps in logic. He threw up in the final seconds of the game, not throughout it. He wasn't staggering around, he was playing football at the same (admittedly poor) level as before the concussion.

You're acting like any layman can easily identify any concussion. We all watched him play and none of us noticed an obvious change. Some concussions are subtle, that's why even trained medical specialists need a whole host of tests to identify a concussion.

All I'm saying is this:

We now know he was concussed
We know he threw up, even though it was toward the end of the game.
It has been reported that he was showing other symptoms, even on the field. (Again, can't remember where I saw that)

I am make no bigger leap than anyone on this matter. You and others think that it is plausible that he was concussed for a whole half of football and no one noticed. I too think that is possible. But, I find it more likely that someone noticed brushed it off.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

In your attempt to be as passive aggressive as you can be, you made some really large leaps in logic. He threw up in the final seconds of the game, not throughout it. He wasn't staggering around, he was playing football at the same (admittedly poor) level as before the concussion.

You're acting like any layman can easily identify any concussion. We all watched him play and none of us noticed an obvious change. Some concussions are subtle, that's why even trained medical specialists need a whole host of tests to identify a concussion.

And you’re acting like you were on the sideline and you know for a fact that he showed no signs of it. Eyes glossed, not totally there, etc. are all signs that a coach would notice. As much as we are assuming that the signs were there, you are assuming just as much that they weren’t.

 

[jave36]

Over rule? Totally agree.

The practice of "hiding" players from trainers has been going on for ever. That hasn't changed even with the new focus on head injuries. Once a player gets to the trainers, the coach no longer has a decision to make.

As stated before, I don' necessarily believe that happened here in this case. But its the only way Jones or the staff can be tied to it.

That's fair. It would have to be deliberate and calculated, and I just don't see the evidence for that.

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

Butch is currently holding a presser about the game this coming weekend. Business as usual.

And Hyams is floating softballs out there, as usual.

 

[gardners_51609]

I feel even the thought of this happening has the Athletic Department nervous. That is why Currie released a statement. This is an SEC/NCAA issue and even a legal issue. This will get out of Currie's hands quickly if there is any truth to this. IMO Currie issued the statement to get ahead of the situation and now will go back and figure the situation out. The SEC, will probably also look into the situation.

 

[jave36]

Butch needed to go before this. Stuff like blows up because the AD, at least on the surface, doesn’t seem to be handling it well.

Now that I agree with.