Official Jon Gruden Thread XXVI

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Shaun1985 said:
Doesn't make sense. The academic side would be all over this then. That sort of rules out the "power struggle". Both sides win. If this is even possible, it makes keeping Butch longer more confusing.
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Just a thought... Hawk I think elaborated on this in the previous Gruden thread. Many others can pick apart some of this where it's not quite right, but hopefully, this makes a little bit of sense.

Academic
  • PRO - Academic side gets more $ for research/specialized programs in the form of VC funding
  • CON - Gives up control of football program
  • ANALYSIS - Academic side doesn't generally care about the football program/control issues as long as they have $ to fund the academic side, so they approve

Athletic
  • PRO - Gets more control of football program and $ to get quality coaching staff in place
  • CON - May have to deal with more strict academic requirements (speculation) or other hoops to jump through
  • ANALYSIS - Athletic side doesn't generally care about the academic side as long as they have support and can run the program with minimal interference, so they approve

Booster
  • PRO - Gets both academic and athletic results that give them a good return on their investment (ROI)
  • CON - Give up some control over access and micromanagement of football program
  • ANALYSIS - Most boosters just want the football program to win and the academic side to remain relatively high in the rankings, so they approve
  • EXCEPTION - Some boosters may not want to give up access to the program or ability to micromanage the university/football program, and may resent. This means Academic side gets less $, which they do not want, and that the football program doesn't get the staff/control they need, which they do not want. This creates a power struggle between key boosters and high-level academic and athletic administrators.

Since everyone needs to be on board for immediate termination, but they're not yet, nothing has happened. Others have alluded to the fact that the parties most likely agreed Butch was done after this year, but never expected him to produce the dumpster fire that is team 121. Things have rapidly spiraled out of control to the point where the administration may be forced to make a move they didn't want to make at this juncture (instead of waiting until the end of the season when everything can be tied up nice and neatly without the current PR debacle). Changing the plan means all parties need to be on board simultaneously. Later today will tell whether the BK story has enough legs to force Currie's hands on the fire.
 
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Waiting on Currie to fire Butch
 
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Beavers post:
If you guys need help (for speculation purposes only) then think about the types of things (early stage) VC firms invest in? They are not funding growth stage or beyond companies rather they are usually funding IP born out of PHD research that is inherently defensible. When money is being funneled into these sectors it increases demand for more researchers and over the long term improves a University’s ranking. Which stakeholder in this Gruden deal would benefit the most from this dynamic?

Again this is not my nugget but only food for speculation. End remarks

Opinion,
I researched this school so much in 2016 before my son started..and ya'll know how I reaearch.

So the VC piece is related to the academia. UT wants to be a top 25 school. As another poster mentioned. VC's pay for intellectual property to be developed through research done in a PHD course of study.


The VC was needed to sweeten or seal the deal with the AA. It allows them to their reach goal. I swear this is fascinating from a military perspective. There is so many analogies and similarities.
 

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knoxswim890 said:
Just a thought... Hawk I think elaborated on this in the previous Gruden thread. Many others can pick apart some of this where it's not quite right, but hopefully, this makes a little bit of sense.

Academic
  • PRO - Academic side gets more $ for research/specialized programs in the form of VC funding
  • CON - Gives up control of football program
  • ANALYSIS - Academic side doesn't generally care about the football program/control issues as long as they have $ to fund the academic side, so they approve

Athletic
  • PRO - Gets more control of football program and $ to get quality coaching staff in place
  • CON - May have to deal with more strict academic requirements (speculation) or other hoops to jump through
  • ANALYSIS - Athletic side doesn't generally care about the academic side as long as they have support and can run the program with minimal interference, so they approve

Booster
  • PRO - Gets both academic and athletic results that give them a good return on their investment (ROI)
  • CON - Give up some control over access and micromanagement of football program
  • ANALYSIS - Most boosters just want the football program to win and the academic side to remain relatively high in the rankings, so they approve
  • EXCEPTION - Some boosters may not want to give up access to the program or ability to micromanage the university/football program, and may resent. This means Academic side gets less $, which they do not want, and that the football program doesn't get the staff/control they need, which they do not want. This creates a power struggle between key boosters and high-level academic and athletic administrators.

Since everyone needs to be on board for immediate termination, but they're not yet, nothing has happened. Others have alluded to the fact that the parties most likely agreed Butch was done after this year, but never expected him to produce the dumpster fire that is team 121. Things have rapidly spiraled out of control to the point where the administration may be forced to make a move they didn't want to make at this juncture (instead of waiting until the end of the season when everything can be tied up nice and neatly without the current PR debacle). Changing the plan means all parties need to be on board simultaneously. Later today will tell whether the BK story has enough legs to force Currie's hands on the fire.
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I was typing as you were..that's what I'm thinking too. Another poster kept saying needs and wants and identify them. If this falls through it could only be because of one individual not a collective group, ie academia vs athletics. I am amazed how well they have the perimeter secured. IMO
 
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And I, once more, am lost in the chaos which is this K-H economics maze. But if it leads to Jones being gone and Gruden to the Hill, then through the looking glass we go.
 
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BloodShovel said:
Hawkpilot, correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't the AD setup this way before Hamilton?
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My history of UT's structure unfortunately isn't very good. I didn't get on the badwagon until I was stationed in Ft. Campbell in '05.
 
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AllVolinGA said:
And I, once more, am lost in the chaos which is this K-H economics maze. But if it leads to Jones being gone and Gruden to the Hill, then through the looking glass we go.
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I think in a real broadstroke it's giving something and getting something in return. It's a fancy scientific word for bartering. Also what I give you may have more value to you than it does to me and vice versa..not 100% on it.
 
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Something was said a while back about it being possible to have two coaches signed at the same time and use numerous contracts with clauses. So it's possible Gruden has been signed for a while but they can't announce anything until Butch is gone. This could be why the media isn't saying much.

If true it was right there in front of us.
 
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Hawkpilot said:
Something was said a while back about it being possible to have two coaches signed at the same time and use numerous contracts with clauses. So it's possible Gruden has been signed for a while but they can't announce anything until Butch is gone. This could be why the media isn't saying much.

If true it was right there in front of us.
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Did Texas do this last year?
 
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Hawkpilot said:
Something was said a while back about it being possible to have two coaches signed at the same time and use numerous contracts with clauses. So it's possible Gruden has been signed for a while but they can't announce anything until Butch is gone. This could be why the media isn't saying much.

If true it was right there in front of us.
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I can see that. If Butch renegotiated his contract to have an end date of 11/25 (the last regular season game), and Gruden's contract specifies a start date no earlier than 11/26, they could both be "signed" but not in conflict.

Thus, the posts about Butch being "done" after UGA could have, in fact, been 100% true. And the posts about Gruden being "done" close to the USCjr game could have, in fact, been 100% true. I'm not an insider by any means so please don't read into that as me saying it is, but that's just a passing thought.

I'm not a contract lawyer to be able to speak to the legality of said scenario but it logically makes sense. That could also be the reason why Currie is so hesitant to fire Butch prior to the end of the season, since Butch's renegotiated contract may have some additional penalties for premature termination without cause.
 
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Does anyone else read GrudeAwakening's posts in this guy's voice?
 

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Thunder Good-Oil said:
You've just won a Jimmy Award
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My only aspiration is to someday be a footnote in Grand Vol's morning or evening report. It sort of cements ones place in internet history. Like getting your name in the phone book for the first time

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Morning guys and gals. Let's see if I can get through the day without getting a spanking for posting fake tweets by mistake.
 
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