Official Jon Gruden Thread XXV

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Is it worth dreaming that Gruden would even come to UT ? If it's true that we already offered 10mil per year, why don't we just hire Nick Saban?
 
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RockyTopSC said:
He is still in discussion. I didn’t get odds either way really. I can say that I found it interesting that it was not shot down or laughed about. It was and actual conversation about pros and cons of him and a few others. Again just academic between friends.
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Thanks :thumbsup:
 
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onevol74 said:
Just some observations.

As Shoop said, we all know what is going on around here.

But why is it that the only smoke here is about Gruden? Not just on VolNation, but anywhere.

You would think that if we are talking with other possible candidates that there would be some smoke somewhere. We all know that agents leak information to enhance or leverage their product, whether for a better position or just to get them a better contract in their existing job.
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Because there is currently no job opening at Tennessee to discuss (publicly).
 
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VFLnSFD said:
Good morning! I went to bed at 11 last night, but a lot happened in here over night. I have many thoughts on this.

-I think the #emptyneyland thing is ridiculous. Anyone paying attention can see that Butch has been fired. I feel for the boys. I get, however, that folks think it is their best way to protest. It frustrates me for the small business owners that end up impacted the most.

-I don't understand why people are mad that the AA wants to be the "Harvard of the South although I've never heard it described that way. Strong athletics and strong academics are symbiotic. Look at Michigan. No one should care more or less about either of these sides. TN is a UNIVERSITY first and foremost.

-our new bff HearforGrumors helped drive home to me yesterday the immense scope of this. No way did these negotiations start last week or even last month. An incredible amount of leg work has gone into this on every side of this equation. To me, bubba and MIT are the obvious talismans of that. There are people so heavily invested in this that they have sent/paid people to share information to influence the court of public opinion. This isn't a matter of Currie calling Gruden and saying, "hey, you wanna coach here?" This deal won't be denied because of the investment that has already been made.

- side note... funny to me how when we call people newbies they don't understand that we are talking about this thread and not this forum.
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Bump for relevancy.

Hopefully, folks are paying attention to your 3rd bullet item. This a significant point. Some get caught up in the troll vs. insider labels and miss the dynamics associated with a complex negotiation. One side is leveraging all the tools at their disposal. Good job.

The interwebz is a powerful tool, if used wisely.
 
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goinuponatuesday said:
I have really thought about this..... I honestly think not going to the game Saturday is a very good idea. As many said, as soon as the AD got whiff of the idea, they came forward and spoke out... their weakness is money, and what better way to hurt the people that care nothing about us as fans and investors into the program than to protest by sitting out. I really think we need to empty neyland. Nothing against the players, but if we want a big time coach, someone to make us relevant we need to hit these power struggle people where it hurts. It's time to shift this power into the right place. Academics are able to do the things they do because of the athletics and boosters. Time to stand up and make a statement. Let's get Tennessee football back!!!!!!! Empty neyland
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Absolutely the worst way to show these kids your support. They do not deserve it and think about what it shows our recruits.
 
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SmokinBob said:
I happen to agree with this and will probably get put on someone’s ignore list for saying so. As disappointed as I am in the season, and whatever my thoughts are about CBJ, I was one of a scattering of Vols proudly dressed in orange in the stadium at the Bama game. I’ll support the team no matter what else is going on around them.

PS - I really really hope we get Gruden
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The recruiting has already taken a huge hit and is not gonna get better this year unless we land a home run coach. Otherwise this year is a Dooley year
 
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Smokey X said:
I agree wholeheartedly with that statement SFD. Speculating here but maybe it goes back to the bitterness of the Linda Bensel Meyers era that shaped some of that vitriol.
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LBM ... woooow ... that's a name i ain't heard in a while.
man she hated football, didn't she?
 
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mrmax86 said:
No one from the University of Tennessee has said the name Gruden. It doesn't make sense for ESPN to mention anything either.

With regards to Empty Neyland, what are we, a mob? Go to the game if you want to, don't if you don't. Don't start a damn movement. What are we going to do next week, tear down the Torchbearer?
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I had a movement this morning. A good one.


BLM. Butch's Longevity Matters.


Go Vols.
 
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HearForGrumors said:
Good afternoon Grudenites:

I've been following the Gruden Threads since well before MIT's posts were deleted. I've been lurking here for years. This is my first post. (I tried to get in a few days ago, but I got buried in the mountains of new requests with the recent hubbub.) I just wanted to share a few thoughts.

DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT AN INSIDER! I HAVE NO PRIVILEGED INFORMATION AT ALL. EVERYTHING THAT FOLLOWS IS EITHER PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, OR MY OPINION.

I wanted to clarify a few legal points that keep recurring:

First, there is no language in CBJ's contract that precludes the AD from interviewing new candidates. There is no exclusivity clause, etc. Barring some regulation that I've not found, UT could have two head coaches if they wanted. Anyone who thinks that Currie is barred from discussing an opening with potential candidates is mistaken. It may be poor form to do it publicly, but it is within the purview of the position of AD to offer the position to coaches who fit the criteria.

Second, there is 100% no obligation for UT to leave the job open for any period of time, or to vet X number of candidates before hiring anyone. Someone did post the relevant regulation, but it got washed over quickly. In a position like this, one candidate is all that is needed (and you could hire him before firing the other one).

Third, deals can be done, and based on conditions. For example, the Gruden deal could be totally done on the condition that CBJ goes 7-5 or worse. In that case, should CBJ go 8-4 then the Gruden deal would be void. This is important for anyone wanting a way to reconcile MIT's "deal is done" verbiage. (My personal opinion is the same as SFD, the deal was done on the Gruden side, and being taken to the AD. The "carrot," if you will.)

Fourth, it would not be surprising at all to see CBJ accept a buy out option. Like has been posted elsewhere, by negotiating a lump sum, he may actually receive more in total compensation. Every time I see someone say that CBJ would not accept a buy out option, I cringe. Stahp it.

Fifth, We all like transparency, but its hard to work in chaos. The AD is now operating quietly and discreetly. The result is the murmurs and grumblings we are seeing now. There is nothing wrong with grumbling, but from the AD perspective its easier to deal with vague grumbles than exacting criticism and involvement of having the whole world in your thoughts. This is not uncommon in these types of deals. Just have patience. If you don't have meaningful influence, keep it to social media. When the deal is done we'll know where we are and how we got there. (I'm thinking a 30-for-30 is totally warranted.)

Sixth, IMO, a CBJ game is equal in effect to an interim if you have your guy. It only makes sense to switch to an interim if you think the interim can do better than your coach. In this case, I think any interim is a totally unknown quantity. Just let it play out, these folks aren't stupid. Maybe egotistical and self destructive, but not dumb.

Seventh, haters end up on preacher's list. You don't want to be there.

To say a little about me, and why I have opinions on the law and deals, I'm an, in fact, an attorney. I do complex litigation that almost always involves complicated settlements between as many as 20 distinct parties. I concentrated my legal education on contracts, negotiation, and dispute resolution. I took every sports law related course offered at my school (one that focuses on sports law quite prominently. It has a top 3 ranking for sports law).

I believe. The facts are coming into the light. The ducks are in their rows. It's just a matter of time.

Soon.
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I’d like to ask again, and it’s admittedly absurd....would Gruden want Butch to remain on staff for a year(a la Luke Fickel at OSU with Meyer)? They are friends. Gruden new to the college game. Butch is a pretty good recruiter. Butch getting paid anyways....again, I know it’s out there....
 
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I don't see Gruden to the browns, that's career suicide. He sure isn't going to Florida either, he hates Florida more than we do. It's either Tennessee or a decent NFL team and all of the decent NFL teams already have coaches locked in. I'm calling Tennessee or he just stays at ESPN, don't see anything else.
 
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VFLnSFD said:
I know what you're saying, but bubba has already told us to "thank the beans."
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Behr said:
Don't know how I missed that. All I remember is his first mention of them and then his post last night.
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Yeah, I missed that too - I just searched his posts form 10/23 (when he said it was in the hands of Scarabbeans) & don't see anything specific. Closest thing to "thanking" is a reply on 10/27 to DTO (who posted that he'd been told all obstacles cleared). Bubba said: "Yeah, I'm feeling much more relaxed about the doneness of the deal than this past weekend."
I dunno... I think everything looking really positive overall - the announcement that Hubbs RT about Bev saying no to outsourcing is a sign, the silence is deafening & Gruden def ready to coach.
I think there was a mix-up Sunday evening, but I still think/hope everything is coming together & now we're just circling the airport waiting for ESPN air traffic controller to give the go-ahead.
 
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goinuponatuesday said:
I have really thought about this..... I honestly think not going to the game Saturday is a very good idea. As many said, as soon as the AD got whiff of the idea, they came forward and spoke out... their weakness is money, and what better way to hurt the people that care nothing about us as fans and investors into the program than to protest by sitting out. I really think we need to empty neyland. Nothing against the players, but if we want a big time coach, someone to make us relevant we need to hit these power struggle people where it hurts. It's time to shift this power into the right place. Academics are able to do the things they do because of the athletics and boosters. Time to stand up and make a statement. Let's get Tennessee football back!!!!!!! Empty neyland
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I don't think it would be as bad as people are saying for the players. Would you rather hear 102k people booing your coach during the game or 40k people just watching some football. When I was playing ball, it didn't matter how many people were in the stadium. It isn't like Southern Miss fans are going to take over Neyland and somehow make it an like an away game. The players might even relax a bit if there were less people there.
 
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