Official Jon Gruden Thread XXV

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volgr said:
While it is a University first, you can't expect big name coaches to come here and be at a recruiting disadvantage against the Bama's of the world due to them being able to get athlete's admitted that we would not.

Academics has to live in reality and understand, for whatever it says about our society, that football revenue drives the boat but that doesn't mean that both cannot flourish.
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I understand this and agree.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
What's wrong with that? Is it what you wanted to read into it?
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Do you know what a troll job is? Intentionally posting things about good things coming early this week right after the Kentucky game, don't play stupid. Just calling balls and strikes. You knew at the time you posted exactly how that info would be taken.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
Do you know what a troll job is? Intentionally posting things about good things coming early this week right after the Kentucky game, don't play stupid. Just calling balls and strikes. You knew at the time you posted exactly how that info would be taken.
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it isn't over yet!
Lets let the week play out first.
 
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checkthetape said:
I fear that he isnt.. Thats just the vibe I have gotten.. I will say this Butch is definitely gone and has been since after USCe.. The reasoning for him remaining de facto interim are over me.. Also I can say that I was told that Gruden has been formally offered the keys to it all for the 2nd time.. That has absolutely already went on but it is apparently unlikely to happen and the reason is not lack of money or a bullheaded booster and apparently not bc of JG.. It is not even John Currie
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Through what all you’ve posted you just validated pretty much everything that MIT and Bubba have previously brought to the board.

As I posted a thread or so ago, folks are to busy trying to identify tree species in each post and losing sight of the forest. What is currently trying to happen on the Hill is more than a coaching change, it’s a shift in thought, a shift in power, a shift in sop and a major change in the overall landscape. If the big boosters are totally united in this goal, which is likely a first in and of itself, and their awareness PR campaign is successful, UT may finally be on its way back towards the top of the dog pile. I think, and hope, the Academics side soon realizes that without major funding the power they feel they wield is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.
 
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volgr said:
While it is a University first, you can't expect big name coaches to come here and be at a recruiting disadvantage against the Bama's of the world due to them being able to get athlete's admitted that we would not.

Academics has to live in reality and understand, for whatever it says about our society, that football revenue drives the boat but that doesn't mean that both cannot flourish.
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You only have to look at Alabama. They are exploding down there with new buildings going up everywhere and they are attracting some of the best with their scholarship programs!
 
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preacherwebb said:
how about this ... if it doesn't pan out the way you expect, put ov on your ignore list.

but stop trying to demean him saying he's full of it.
no need for that.

it don't make you look ... like whatever you're striving to look like.
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He intentionally trolled us after the Kentucky game, why can't we just call it what it is? We can be on the grude train and also call out troll jobs. Maybe most of what he posts is true but he got caught on this one
 
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Oldvol75 said:
What's wrong with that? Is it what you wanted to read into it?
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Really? Come on man, you knew exactly how people would take that.

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DynaLo said:
Through what all you’ve posted you just validated pretty much everything that MIT and Bubba have previously brought to the board.

As I posted a thread or so ago, folks are to busy trying to identify tree species in each post and losing sight of the forest. What is currently trying to happen on the Hill is more than a coaching change, it’s a shift in thought, a shift in power, a shift in sop and a major change in the overall landscape. If the big boosters are totally united in this goal, which is likely a first in and of itself, and their awareness PR campaign is successful, UT may finally be on its way back towards the top of the dog pile. I think, and hope, the Academics side soon realizes that without major funding the power they feel they wield is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.
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Kid Deezy said:
Wasn't too active last night so don't know how you got that impression. I asked a simple question to her and a select few are up in arms that I asked a question. What's funny to me is she didn't seem to be upset at all and did a pretty good job of answering my question as seen below.




Thanks, I'm not on her all the time so wasn't sure if you were hearing something I wasn't aware of.
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I'm certainly no damsel in distress.

However, in text tone must be inferred based on wording and punctuation. The true sign of a gentleman is to instinctively stand up for any woman he sees being attacked. Conversely, the most sure sign that someone is not a gentleman is if he attacks a woman.
 
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VolFan32 said:
People jumping on Currie aren't being fair IMO. You can tell he's got something brewing and just can't say yet.

Currie is a lot of things, but he's not an idiot.
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I disagree. Currie has handled the last 3 weeks very poorly. Even his interview last night was ridiculous. You could take Shoop's comment lastnight to Rucker and apply it to Currie's interview. Nobody's stupid, we know what is going on.

Currie thinks he is being coy and cute but he has his hand flipped backwards and we can see his cards.
 
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Originally Posted by preacherwebb View Post
how about this ... if it doesn't pan out the way you expect, put ov on your ignore list.

but stop trying to demean him saying he's full of it.
no need for that.

it don't make you look ... like whatever you're striving to look like.

OrangeWayOfLife said:
He intentionally trolled us after the Kentucky game, why can't we just call it what it is? We can be on the grude train and also call out troll jobs. Maybe most of what he posts is true but he got caught on this one
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so rather than take my advice, you continue to pound sand in an effort to make him look like a troll, and yourself look like what?

why not just put him on ignore, so you don't have to read his troll posts?

what's so hard about that?
you're not helping anyone by "exposing" him as a troll.
you're hurting yourself.

i'm not saying anything else about it.
 
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Paukotajs said:
Understood. There really are only 3 options:

1. AD has the money supplied by donors, but is having a hard time pulling the trigger to get Gruden due to administration side being vags.

2. Donors really do not want to donate enough money for Gruden. Gruden has said his price - UT can't afford it.

3. Gruden said no and we are totally fubar.... :furious3:
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I'm not sold on the fact that its being denied, by anyone. Everyone could be in agreement and just waiting to meet and finalize it.
 
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I just can't buy the narrative that boosters have something as a "done" deal and the AD and/or Administration nixed - past, present or future. I know too many people working in Higher Ed fundraising (including at UT) to remotely believe things would work this way. The fundraising side stays so close to big time donors, they pretty much know when they pee and poop, and what they had for lunch - so the idea that things would become so disconnected that "boosters" would deliver a candidate that Admin or AD wouldn't approve? Hogwash.

But just for kicks, I'll give this to you as the benefit of the doubt. If this is the way things work at UT - we all need to give up now - because if this is happening the University is FUBAR on soooooo many levels.
 
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the nonbelievers are out in force this AM.
I get it. We are all frustrated and want better.

I however choose to believe that Grude things are on the way....Soon!
 
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VFLnSFD said:
I'm certainly no damsel in distress.

However, in text tone must be inferred based on wording and punctuation. The true sign of a gentleman is to instinctively stand up for any woman he sees being attacked. Conversely, the most sure sign that someone is not a gentleman is if he attacks a woman.
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hey, you know i've stuck up for you a couple times, right?
i've put people on the list for mistreating you.
that didn't get by you. you're too sharp for that.
:)
 
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Let's ignore all of the (supposed, actual, however you feel about it) insider information and stick to facts.

  • Point: CBJ has not tweeted, retweeted, anything on Twitter since October 10th - the Tuesday after the Georgia game. "The silence is deafening."
  • Counterpoint: Last year from October 10-31, he only tweeted once. (Search results here). He also only tweeted once between Oct 1-31, 2015. (Edit: Also tweeted just 4 times Oct 1-31, 2016. 1 was about a hurricane, 1 was tweeting to Antonio Brown a thank you for a jersey.)
  • Point: ESPN may be dropping MNF because they're going out of business.
  • Counterpoint: ESPN holds NFL rights through 2021. They might want to reduce costs by getting Gruden off payroll, but it isn't like Gruden is unemployed at the end of the season. And he's getting $6.5 million to call 18 games. Not a bad gig.
  • Point: Until last night on radio, Currie had said zilch about the football program situation. (He also mentioned the excitement of a new golf practice facility.) So he must be working behind the scenes.
  • Counterpoint: The odds that there has been no leak at all (like you get in every other coaching search of recent memory, Tennessee or not) means Currie is either incompetent and not doing anything or has this thing on such a hard lock down that it will be incredible when we learn of it and we should go ahead and get an artist to work on a statue of he and Gruden standing together.
  • Point: Currie is on the record saying "There's no problem you can't make worse by operating." Meaning, removing Jones right now would be worse than not removing Jones right now.
  • Counterpoint: No real counterpoint here other than the epic sadness that canning the guy who is 3-5, 0-5 in SEC (edit: in his 5th year) would be worse than leaving him in play.

I'm sure there is other stuff I'm missing, but I think focusing on the facts is equally, if not more important, than listening to insiders. I'm not saying the folks on here providing information are wrong; just that we can't forget facts and known quantities because everything else COULD be made up.

I am most concerned about the Twitter thing. I thought for sure if he hadn't tweeted as much that that would mean "he knows he is fired". But he's only tweeted once (edit: scratch that: 5 times) in October for the last 2 years. So he is down one whole tweet this year (edit: from Oct 10-31), not exactly significant.

We need a home run hire or I think UT football is literally dead for 10 years. So I want nothing more than Gruden to be announced while I'm typing this post... but my Grudometer is back down quite a bit right now.
 
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I'm just thinking out loud. Could it be that given the threat by the boosters to withhold the money, have to be shown by an itemized list? Maybe he has to show each dissenting member what they will give up if this not approved. Let's say Prof A. You won't be getting that new shiny lab you wanted because you voted no and the boosters withheld the money to pay for it. Just trying to wrap my head around all of this.
 
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volgr said:
I disagree. Currie has handled the last 3 weeks very poorly. Even his interview last night was ridiculous. You could take Shoop's comment lastnight to Rucker and apply it to Currie's interview. Nobody's stupid, we know what is going on.

Currie thinks he is being coy and cute but he has his hand flipped backwards and we can see his cards.
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I actually think the opposite.
I think Currie is playing this like a boss, and some of us, are going to look foolish in the near future.
May be me, and may be you Volgr!
 
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preacherwebb said:
Originally Posted by preacherwebb View Post
how about this ... if it doesn't pan out the way you expect, put ov on your ignore list.

but stop trying to demean him saying he's full of it.
no need for that.

it don't make you look ... like whatever you're striving to look like.




so rather than take my advice, you continue to pound sand in an effort to make him look like a troll, and yourself look like what?

why not just put him on ignore, so you don't have to read his troll posts?

what's so hard about that?
you're not helping anyone by "exposing" him as a troll.
you're hurting yourself.

i'm not saying anything else about it.
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I think what OWOL is trying to say is that, OV pretty much vaguely said something in a way that would get the people on here riled up with hope, now that things are passing and not as he vaguely put it OWOL is calling him out on it.

He brings up a good point, while OWOL might ignore him, someone else might not, and in the end that person might get their hopes up for nothing.

You gotta admit, the way OV put it out there was a bit shady and could be construed as some kind of hint that a big announcement was going to be made, especially when numerous other posters on here vouched that OV was "in the know"
 
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