Official Jon Gruden Thread XXV

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dcibrando said:
please god don't tell me this is shaping up to be another 2012 again... VN can't take it :thud:
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I was roped in 2012 with all of the "insiders". I don't want to get my hopes up again. I remember when someone said his plane had landed and press conference was coming at noon - I'm still waiting.
 
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tennvols77 said:
Here's something that occurred to me, please read and think and reply.

We assume: Butch wanted out last year and courted any alternative employment somewhere else with another school

We know he didn't get the jobs he sought, we know he got a new agent, we know he asked for an extension.

What if, at that time before the season started Currie and Jones reached a tentative agreement (including many different scenario's concerning wins and money to be paid out) for this being his last year? New AD, comes in with his own list, he saw the writing on the wall from last season performance and then that Jones wants to get out, he says no problem I'll oblige.

As someone else stated, the problem with everything we are seeing is no one expected this season to be as bad as it is, so early, screwing up timelines and alternative options for moving forward with a new coach.

So, quietly Currie began his due diligence and began to go ahead with his own plan for a new coach. Cue the crappy season, and the Georgia game. Enter the money and the Gruden.

Currie allows the money to see what can be done, while Currie works with Sexton on the earlier agreed upon mutual separation. Currie gets the news that Gruden can be got, and he works with Sexton to finalize the buyout that seemingly was done weeks ago and agreed to in principle.

Currie sees the writing on the wall and is on board, now he needs to get the other side of the University to agree. Cue Manning and Fulmer, and the ongoing supposed pissing match that exists within the university.

Then we hear of the BATNA, and Currie is no less hated by the university academic side and can say he was already planning and had set in motion the dismissal of Jones, but, he feels this newer option is a better decision and he along with the boosters can force the hand of the academics with Currie getting their agreement begrudgingly as he said, he had already come to this conclusion on his own before the season started.
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Couple of questions

Did Currie actually say "getting the agreement begrudgingly" or is this just part of hypothetical conversation?

How does BATNA work... by using arbitrator? (I had to look up BATNA I had not heard that before)
 
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VFLnSFD said:
AV's silence is important. I agree.

This hire will be a giant thing for all of CFB. Think about how much Saban to Bama has changed the landscape. Harbaugh to Michigan hasn't had quite the same impact, but similar. We will be the 3rd team to stand up and say "we are here to play big boy football."

There are only 2 things you can think about Currie.

1. He is a complete idiot won cares nothing about his career or the university.

2. He is a benevolent evil genius.

There is no in between.
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No gray area, just the way I like it
 
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I’m trying to completely latch on to the idea that Jon Gruden truly misses coaching like he stated on MNF last night. If he truly misses the game why not go back to where is coaching career took root? I mean I hear people question, “Why would he go to Tennessee?” Then I’m saying out loud to nobody in particular the reasons he would. He met his wife here, coaching career started here, he has stated this is a “dream job”, his son is currently there, his youngest son will be attending Tennessee, and last but not least he is to a point in his life where he either needs to coach or just stay in the booth. If he truly misses coaching then he can’t keep waiting and beating around the bush, because he’s getting up there in age. When people question why Gruden would come here I tell them all that, and then they seem to just shrug it off. I truly believe there’s interest there, and if I was John Currie I wouldn’t let him say no this time. My cap would be 12 million, and i don’t how he could say no to that. I am full Gruden though, and am totally ignoring WNML because they don’t know jack about the situation. Hope you guys have a Grude day, and I’ll be in this thread all day as usual during my job 😂
 
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CNeagleVolFan said:
I’m trying to completely latch on to the idea that Jon Gruden truly misses coaching like he stated on MNF last night. If he truly misses the game why not go back to where is coaching career took root? I mean I hear people question, “Why would he go to Tennessee?” Then I’m saying out loud to nobody in particular the reasons he would. He met his wife here, coaching career started here, he has stated this is a “dream job”, his son is currently there, his youngest son will be attending Tennessee, and last but not least he is to a point in his life where he either needs to coach or just stay in the booth. If he truly misses coaching then he can’t keep waiting and beating around the bush, because he’s getting up there in age. When people question why Gruden would come here I tell them all that, and then they seem to just shrug it off. I truly believe there’s interest there, and if I was John Currie I wouldn’t let him say no this time. My cap would be 12 million, and i don’t how he could say no to that. I am full Gruden though, and am totally ignoring WNML because they don’t know jack about the situation. Hope you guys have a Grude day, and I’ll be in this thread all day as usual during my job 😂
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I like the way you think
 
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VFLnSFD said:
Good morning! I went to bed at 11 last night, but a lot happened in here over night. I have many thoughts on this.

-I think the #emptyneyland thing is ridiculous. Anyone paying attention can see that Butch has been fired. I feel for the boys. I get, however, that folks think it is their best way to protest. It frustrates me for the small business owners that end up impacted the most.

-I don't understand why people are mad that the AA wants to be the "Harvard of the South although I've never heard it described that way. Strong athletics and strong academics are symbiotic. Look at Michigan. No one should care more or less about either of these sides. TN is a UNIVERSITY first and foremost.

-our new bff HearforGrumors helped drive home to me yesterday the immense scope of this. No way did these negotiations start last week or even last month. An incredible amount of leg work has gone into this on every side of this equation. To me, bubba and MIT are the obvious talismans of that. There are people so heavily invested in this that they have sent/paid people to share information to influence the court of public opinion. This isn't a matter of Currie calling Gruden and saying, "hey, you wanna coach here?" This deal won't be denied because of the investment that has already been made.

- side note... funny to me how when we call people newbies they don't understand that we are talking about this thread and not this forum.
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Yep, it is a university first.

And yes, I'm not sure some understand the complexity of this or how big it really is.

I think most if not all of the scepticism and resistance from those that refuse to believe Gruden will be our next HC, do understand how big this is and know our administration.

Power, ego, big money and history have a slight edge on, yes, it could be denied. If there wasn't a chance of it being denied, the big money guys wouldn't have to threaten cutting out the money.

I'm more optimistic than I was a week ago.
 
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Lovesomebigorange said:
I agree with you and SFD- there is no way this kind of potential deal was just cobbled together in a month or so. It does appear like it has been in motion for quite some time. I hope everything will get completed at the meetings. Does Bill Haslam's role with the BOT help us? Hence the Haslam support which I don't know was ever truly confirmed..
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preacherwebb said:
Don't know if it's been mentioned but I thought it was interesting ... The timing that seems to line up with Butch's "final game" slip referring to the Soithern Miss game and the BOT meetings Thursday and Friday. Anybody have any thoughts? Seems to lend to a timeline.
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okay, on my laptop now, so i can be a little more thorough with my thought.

1) Butch's freudian slip ... final game
2) BOT's meetings thurdsay & friday
3) JG's last high school game friday night (if this matters)
4) JG at the game saturday

any thoughts as to the relevance of the timeline here?
 
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Sstterry said:
There may be a third option, Currie is caught in the middle of the power struggle between the Academic side and the Athletic side throw into that mix the conflicts and egos of the big donors, some who always want credit, and you have a complicated puzzle. The more I see the more I believe Beaver, and Buba adds to this. I think when all is said and done, PM will once again be the hero of the University on all sides!
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I agree more with this. I don't think Currie is an idiot nor do I think he's evil. I've posted before in this thread that no VFL will ever surpass my hero worship of Peyton for everything he's done & does for my alma mater.
 
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tennvols77 said:
Here's something that occurred to me, please read and think and reply.

We assume: Butch wanted out last year and courted any alternative employment somewhere else with another school

We know he didn't get the jobs he sought, we know he got a new agent, we know he asked for an extension.
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Don't assume. Why do you think he got the new agent? The answer lays before you.
 
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VFLnSFD said:
Good morning! I went to bed at 11 last night, but a lot happened in here over night. I have many thoughts on this.

-I think the #emptyneyland thing is ridiculous. Anyone paying attention can see that Butch has been fired. I feel for the boys. I get, however, that folks think it is their best way to protest. It frustrates me for the small business owners that end up impacted the most.

-I don't understand why people are mad that the AA wants to be the "Harvard of the South although I've never heard it described that way. Strong athletics and strong academics are symbiotic. Look at Michigan. No one should care more or less about either of these sides. TN is a UNIVERSITY first and foremost.

-our new bff HearforGrumors helped drive home to me yesterday the immense scope of this. No way did these negotiations start last week or even last month. An incredible amount of leg work has gone into this on every side of this equation. To me, bubba and MIT are the obvious talismans of that. There are people so heavily invested in this that they have sent/paid people to share information to influence the court of public opinion. This isn't a matter of Currie calling Gruden and saying, "hey, you wanna coach here?" This deal won't be denied because of the investment that has already been made.

- side note... funny to me how when we call people newbies they don't understand that we are talking about this thread and not this forum.
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Went to bed feeling confident but not as much now. What do you think about checkthetape's comments last night?
 
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preacherwebb said:
okay, on my laptop now, so i can be a little more thorough with my thought.

1) Butch's freudian slip ... final game
2) BOT's meetings thurdsay & friday
3) JG's last high school game friday night (if this matters)
4) JG at the game saturday

any thoughts as to the relevance of the timeline here?
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To me, #1 only means he has been told he will coach till the end of the season. :loco:
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
Don't assume. Why do you think he got the new agent? The answer lays before you.
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No, I agree that it did happen but we never had any concrete reporting of it that's why I went with the assume part. But, I agree, hence the new agent.

But, I wanted to gauge the thought that it was possible Currie had the agreement in place with Butch before the season.
 
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