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#3,176
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Where is all the talk of Dan Mullen coming from? If he didn't leave last year with all the big time jobs that were open why would he come to UT now? Don't see it.
 
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Vols4us said:
Scott Frost has been exposed for many years to offensive systems that are different than the one he is using at UCF. Some of you are undervaluing his coaching intelligence IMO. He played in the league under some of the very best.

The quickest way for him to succeed at UCF is doing what he is doing with the existing roster and recruits he could secure in a short period of time. There is zero question in my mind that he would adapt the O to the roster he has and recruits he can secure at UT.
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This.

Frosts offense isn’t even 100% the same as it was while at Oregon. He takes principles and keeps the ones that works and adapts the ones that don’t. It’s always evolving. He would do the same thing in the SEC. His offense would be better than CBJs the moment he stepped on campus, and CBJs system with the right QB put up school records. There would be some adjustments, but Frost is smart enough to adapt.
 
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Aesius said:
Yeah, I don't see him being a one-trick pony. I think he may be more likely to succeed in the SEC than Chip Kelly. At least at a school that doesn't recruit itself and isn't in the land of 800 5* recruits who all run 4.4 40s.
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Agree completely. It's why I keep saying if it's not a Gruden or Harbaugh type hire - it's Frost, Mullen and Brohm for me. Frost is football smart and fully developed as a coach and player. He is a winner. Winners win no matter what it takes or how it happens. Which has been the biggest failing of Butch IMO. His system was more important to him.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
This.

Frosts offense isn’t even 100% the same as it was while at Oregon. He takes principles and keeps the ones that works and adapts the ones that don’t. It’s always evolving. He would do the same thing in the SEC. His offense would be better than CBJs the moment he stepped on campus, and CBJs system with the right QB put up school records. There would be some adjustments, but Frost is smart enough to adapt.
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And this.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
You’re quoting Tennessee fans regarding Urban Meyer coming to Florida, right?
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Personally, I’m not super caught up in the “his offense can’t work here!” argument because I think (though admittedly this is based on speculation) that Frost has enough experience working with/against different offensive systems to make adjustments.


But what he’s running at UCF isn’t that different from many offenses all over the country nowadays. Meyer was running an offense in 2004 that was still relatively innovative and new.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
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It's a beautiful sight, hope it happens. But at this point I dare not let my imagination run away with me.
 
#3,189
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Volator said:
It is not a sure thing that will not. Similar statements were made when Meyer came to UF. Let's not pretend that every SEC school plays elite defense and personally think Frost is smart enough to adapt, Main question: can he coach and recruit well enough to beat Bama, Dawgs and gators... High reward = high risk.
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I think we are on the same page. I'm not exactly anti-Frost by any stretch. I think he is high risk/high reward.

I think the AD and big boosters will prefer someone with less risk, even if that means sacrificing some upside.
 
#3,190
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Frost would most likely run the spread option offense. It's a good offense and a lot of them seem to be high scoring when executed properly. You don't have to run a pro style offense or out of the I formation to win in the SEC. Like or not bama is the best team in the SEC and they run most of their offense out of the spread set. Their goal line (elephant package), looks almost like an inverted wishbone.
 
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Vols4us said:
It's a beautiful sight, hope it happens. But at this point I dare not let my imagination run away with me.
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I said the same thing for a long time, but there’s way way too much smoke this time, so I’m going to have fun with it. I’ll still believe it when I see him standing at the podium, but this is even more fun the 2nd time around.
 
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#3,193
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Whether it is Gruden, Frost, or Mullen, all are significant upgrades over CBJ. Yes some carry more risk than others but the fortunes of Vol football appear to be trending upward.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
This.

Frosts offense isn’t even 100% the same as it was while at Oregon. He takes principles and keeps the ones that works and adapts the ones that don’t. It’s always evolving. He would do the same thing in the SEC. His offense would be better than CBJs the moment he stepped on campus, and CBJs system with the right QB put up school records. There would be some adjustments, but Frost is smart enough to adapt.
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Not to forget that he's putting a defense on the field that is pretty effective, despite the fact that he didn't recruit the bulk of them. If Frost took the job here, we wouldn't be hearing the excuses that he needed to recruit his type of players to make his system work. He's doing more with a one-handed linebacker than we are doing with our whole team.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
This.

Frosts offense isn’t even 100% the same as it was while at Oregon. He takes principles and keeps the ones that works and adapts the ones that don’t. It’s always evolving. He would do the same thing in the SEC. His offense would be better than CBJs the moment he stepped on campus, and CBJs system with the right QB put up school records. There would be some adjustments, but Frost is smart enough to adapt.
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Yep frost is of the build your offense around your players while recruiting to your style you eventually want while Butch is trying to fit square pegs in round holes and doesn't know what he wants.

Someone posted an article about Frost the other day. He couldn't run all the plays and block schemes he wanted in yr 1 as the personell didn't fit. He adapted. This year he has added much more and it's taking off
 
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Vols4us said:
Scott Frost has been exposed for many years to offensive systems that are different than the one he is using at UCF. Some of you are undervaluing his coaching intelligence IMO. He played in the league under some of the very best.

The quickest way for him to succeed at UCF is doing what he is doing with the existing roster and recruits he could secure in a short period of time. There is zero question in my mind that he would adapt the O to the roster he has and recruits he can secure at UT.
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People are used to Butch who never changes. Frost looked at what he had, came up with a scheme to maximize his talent. He's not shoehorning players into a rigid system, and there's no reason to expect him to do that here. He'd evaluate his talent and his competition, then he'd come up with a scheme accordingly. Like good coaches do.

Would anyone have thought after McElroy and McCarron that Bama would move to a spread/read option system? Saban (or at least his OC) adapted to match the players. Frost would do the same.
 
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from the gruden thread:

Originally Posted by UTVolinExile View Post
So I know two individuals who are involved in the process of handling the current situation with our head football coach. One I know in a collegial professional capacity, the other I have worked with on internal university issues on the academic administration side. These individuals do not know each other. They are very professional, and have not, nor would not leak detailed information to me regarding the situation. I have stated on here numerous times for these reasons that jobs were at stake. Up to this point, they had not given me any information that we weren't hearing from other people, so I didn't feel the need to bring anything up that would simply come across as "oh yeah, MY source said that too!" I've limited myself mostly to logical speculation on what we all could see, and only spoken definitively about things I knew factually to be true. For example "anyone bringing salary numbers is trolling or misinformed."

At no point have either of my sources told me "Gruden." They are not going to say a name until the coach is announced. They know my position on Gruden. So I am reading between the lines on identity, but I feel comfortable doing so.

Last night around 6:30 pm, I heard from the professional colleague regarding his/her participation in events. His job is completed, and he does not expect to have to do any additional work. I know he has been working on his part since Tuesday of the bye week, because he has been absolutely silent. We talked before he went dark, and his silence was expected for the duration of his work. The fact that he doesn't have anything else to do at this point, I took as a good sign, but was only a single data point.

This morning, I heard from the individual I know on the academic administration side. We have communicated with each other at length since 2013 on policy and philosophical issues related to the University's direction. Much of my thinking on the overall direction of the school has been shaped by conversations with this individual. Based on our talk this morning, I believe that the academic faction has capitulated on significant issues related to the independence of the football program. I believe that this has been one of the bigger issues affecting our coaching situation that hasn't really been discussed. Again, both of these individuals are aware of my thoughts on Gruden without saying a name. Both of these individuals have confirmed for me that in their respective areas of competence, the process has been completed, and will enter the next phase.

I am bringing this now because I heard from both of them within 24 hours, independent of each other, and because the timing seems congruent with the reports we are hearing from other folks (DTO, Atlanta Vol, etc) And I find it VERY interesting that I was hearing from one of my people at about the same time VFL92 was making his/her post.

Looks to me like the ducks are in a row. TIFWIW, but I would now put myself at 99% Gruden.
 
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