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Ericvol2096 said:
We'd be 9-3 next year with a shot at 10+ and an SEC title in his second year if we get him.

He would average 2-3 wins better then he is getting at MSU here at UT and hes averaging like 8 wins a year.

You all have to think about how well he would utilize our talent and coach them up to their fullest abilities.

He is taking teams with the 2nd or 3rd worst talent in the SEC every year out of high school and getting them into the upper mid level of the SEC each year.

If our talent is upper mid in the SEC he would have us right at the top.

Do I think he would have TN at a Saban level dominance? Absolutely not. But do I think Mullen would have TN hovering in that 9-11 regular season win # almost every year with a special season every 3-5 years? absolutely.

He would be a fantastic hire as long as he could build a good staff of recruiters and DC which I'm sure our budget and his reputation would facilitate.
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This.

Saban's run will end. He's getting older and will lose his edge in recruiting as players believe he will be retiring along with as natural age related personal issues hit him. See Steve Spurrier.

The program that is in best position to take the mantle will be the one that is regularly competing for the SECCG, which would be the best in the east division. Smart is in best position now with UGA. IMO we get there and can surpass Smart with Mullen (despite his loss this year - MSU's lack of talent in players and coaching staff was exposed) or equivalent. Getting a Gruden level hire skips the step and we starting competing for the SEC in 2-3 years.

So that's how I see it happening. If no Big Fish, take the one that can develop into one that knows the pond.
 
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What if Butch said dont fire me, let me finish the season and i will resign and take another job. He's never been fired. Saves face there and it reduces the buyout when he signs a new contract.
 
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unioncityvol said:
What if Butch said dont fire me, let me finish the season and i will resign and take another job. He's never been fired. Saves face there and it reduces the buyout when he signs a new contract.
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FWIW that may be what is happening for all we know.

I would tell him to show me some O and a win at UK first. There's hope for a bowl with that. At this point there is no recovery as a fan base or in recruiting even if he were to win out.
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
We'd be 9-3 next year with a shot at 10+ and an SEC title in his second year if we get him.

He would average 2-3 wins better then he is getting at MSU here at UT and hes averaging like 8 wins a year.

You all have to think about how well he would utilize our talent and coach them up to their fullest abilities.

He is taking teams with the 2nd or 3rd worst talent in the SEC every year out of high school and getting them into the upper mid level of the SEC each year.

If our talent is upper mid in the SEC he would have us right at the top.

Do I think he would have TN at a Saban level dominance? Absolutely not. But do I think Mullen would have TN hovering in that 9-11 regular season win # almost every year with a special season every 3-5 years? absolutely.

He would be a fantastic hire as long as he could build a good staff of recruiters and DC which I'm sure our budget and his reputation would facilitate.
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My previous post seemed to illustrate that his recruiting falls in line with where they finish in the SEC. that’s the common argument but I think it’s false
 
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chavisut said:
He's won 9 twice and they very well could end up with 8-9 this year.

If his ceiling is around 9 at MSU, it isn't around 9 here.
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Ya I just don't get the anti Mullen sentiment. He has way overachieved at MSU. Why wouldn't we expect overachievement here?
 
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BruinVol said:
If Davenport is the one behind Blackburn not being hired I can't understand why anyone is criticizing her for that. We should be applauding her as she avoided hiring a guy that is no longer an AD. He clearly had issues and I praise her for steering clear of him.
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This...something was going on behind the scenes that turned the powers to be off but when VN falls in love with someone they can do no wrong
 
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Vols4us said:
FWIW that may be what is happening for all we know.

I would tell him to show me some O and a win at UK first. There's hope for a bowl with that. At this point there is no recovery as a fan base or in recruiting even if he were to win out.
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Signing day is December 21. Absolutely cannot wait till 3 weeks before that to fire him or any lame duck coach.
 
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Give me Mullen or Frost and I'm a very happy dude. His offense here would look a lot like 05-08 Florida. Give him great athletes and resources and get out the way.
 
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BruinVol said:
If Davenport is the one behind Blackburn not being hired I can't understand why anyone is criticizing her for that. We should be applauding her as she avoided hiring a guy that is no longer an AD. He clearly had issues and I praise her for steering clear of him.
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What happened with Blackburn (re: his resignation)?
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Here, I will outline why I oppose a hiring of Dan Mullen. It must be stated beforehand, that the standard response to each point is, "but it's at Miss State." That may work for you, but it don't accept it, sorry.

I believe we can disagree, but logical, thought points are more valuable to the board than cheap one liners, which I no doubt play often, so here is my rationale, which you may take or leave.

I challenge you to remove Dan Mullen's name from your head, and think "Coach X" when reviewing the following, and tell me how impressed you are, and how he is instantly the 2nd best coach in the league.

1. Record vs. ranked opponents at the time of play: 6-33 .181 winning %. That's an average of .75 ranked wins per season while losing to 3.66 ranked teams per season.

Three of those wins are detailed below. The other three:

a. LSU this season, when LSU was BAD... losing to Troy at home.

b. 2016 A&M 8-5, unranked at end of year.

c. 2010 Florida 8-5, unranked at end of year.

2. Magical #1 ranking season: Dan Mullen led MS ST to #1 in the nation in an amazing 2014 season, incredibly beating 8 LSU, 6 A&M and 2 Auburn in successive weeks. The #1 rating was absolutely deserving... at the time. As we know, mid-season rankings mean nothing at all. Where teams land in the end is the true test. How did those juggernaut three teams finish out?

LSU 8-5 unranked
A&M 8-5 unranked
Auburn 8-5 22nd and 23rd in polls

In hindsight, how impressed are you with wins over 8-5 teams? Do you expect UGA, Bama, and Florida to put up a lot of 8-5 seasons in the near future? Yet this is Mullen's high water mark, in a 10-3 season.

To recap this point... Dan Mullen has never beaten a team better than an 8-5 record... this year's LSU team, TBD.

3. Has Never Beaten Bama: Almost everyone in the West has beaten Bama since Mullen has been there. He has not.

4. Career Winning %: 66-44 60%. SEC record, 31-37 46%. As we've seen, he's not beaten many ranked teams, so this 60% winning percentage is built on cupcakes.

5. Division Standings: Mississippi State has averaged the position of 4.375 in their division during Mullen's time there.

6. Wins vs. Losses per season: What's our goal? Winning? Mullen has averaged 7.6 wins per season vs. 5.5 losses. When I say he will average 8-9 per year, I think I am being kind in giving him an extra 20% more than what history shows he has averaged. Some think 9-11? Based on what, pixie dust?

7. Recruiting: 247 rankings

Nationally, SEC Average 27th nationally, 9.5th in the SEC.

2017 26th, 9th
2016 28th, 11th
2015 18th, 8th
2014 36th, 12th
2013 24th, 10th
2012 22nd, 9th
2011 41st, 11th
2010 30th 8th
2009 18th 8th

8. But it doesn't matter... he does more with less, more than any coach in 'Merica!: Are you sure? Remember, he's averaging between 4th and 5th in his own division win loss standings.

During the Mullen era (66 wins), USCe has 70, UGA has 78, FL has 71, Mizzou has 65. So, given he's about 4th-5th in his division, and the East has 3 teams ahead of him (W/L) and Mizzou within one game, I'd say that his performance on field is on par with his 9th in conference ranking.

Are you content with being the 9th best SEC team?

Even Tennessee, in what we have considered to be the worst stretch in our history (Kiffin, Dooley, Jones) has won 56 games in the time that Mullen has been at Mississippi State. Mullen is averaging an extra 1.25 wins per year. Let this sink in... hard. Imagine the wonderful things we could have done with an extra 1.25 wins per year!!! Yeah... not much.

Conclusion: Too much time spent on this already, but there are my reasons. "But Miss State" may comfort you, but I personally find these facts very sobering.
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This is exactly why I'm not impressed by Mullen. Anybody that pays attention knows these facts.
 
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jave36 said:
Ya I just don't get the anti Mullen sentiment. He has way overachieved at MSU. Why wouldn't we expect overachievement here?
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No clue. He can recruit the best of the best at QB just like he did at Florida. He can hire better defensive staff. He has coached 3 current NFL starting QBs in Alex Smith, Cam newton and Dak prescott. He coached one of the greatest college QBs in Tebow.

I would venture to say he might make a phone call or two to Fields with a pitch. If not he probably makes Martinez the next star after he gets Done with JG
 
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drylo said:
What happened with Blackburn (re: his resignation)?
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Nobody has really said.

From the outside it looks like he got sideways with some people but that's just a guess on my part. Whatever the reason, he probably wasn't the guy for this job considering he's at the house now.
 
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