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LA Vol said:
Beverly Davenport blackballed the Blackburn hire. She didn't think he was a strong candidate and she wanted a sitting P5 AD. Several power players wanted someone with Tennessee ties. John Currie was the compromise candidate. The vote wasn't unanimous and he still has fences to mend.
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You think Atlanta Vol was referring to Haslam? Said there was one prominent booster who blew up the Blackburn hire.
 
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Vols4us said:
Guys - regardless of whether people want to agree or even think about it, Chaney is one of the best OC's in the game. He can adapt to various systems/rosters and has proved it successfully several times. When he paired up with Pittman it all came together as he had an O-line coach that knew his side of it inside and out. Pittman is not just a zone blocking guy, he's taught man schemes as well and knows the game.
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When Chaney isn't having his hand forced he's a bad ass OC and he is multiple. Look at the state of this O and Arkansas's after his departure.
 
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I'm a long time donor and alumni like many others, but my level is pedestrian. I did talk to a family member of the seven figure donor club (many times over) last weekend and they were like sgt shultz-they know nothing more than the smoke swirling around the smoldering fire. Much different than last time.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
Mississippi State coaches SEC winning % the last 50 years:

.225
.303
.154
.189
.357
.151
.422
.250

Mullen is at .453
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7 of the 8 seasons prior to his arrival were below .300 in total wins, not just SEC. What he has done here is equivalent or better than what Franklin did at Vandy.
 
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LA Vol said:
Beverly Davenport blackballed the Blackburn hire. She didn't think he was a strong candidate and she wanted a sitting P5 AD. Several power players wanted someone with Tennessee ties. John Currie was the compromise candidate. The vote wasn't unanimous and he still has fences to mend.
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Personally I don't feel the chancellor should have the power or say on who is the Athletic Director and especially Head Football Coach. Jmo
 
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tomq_123 said:
Personally I don't feel the chancellor should have the power or say on who is the Athletic Director and especially Head Football Coach. Jmo
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Chain of command. The AD reports to the chancellor, so the chancellor is going to have a voice in hiring subordinates. Search committees are involved, too, as is the BOT, so it comes down to a majority vote. Works that way at most universities.
 
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LA Vol said:
And actually it was Jimmy Haslam who wanted Currie, not Big Jim. Jimmy was on the search committee.
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Is there a big difference in philosophy between Jim and Jimmy? As in, does one greatly prioritize academics and the other athletics?
 
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85SugarVol said:
- Mike Farrell
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Firing Jones won't help, you will lose those that are committed to him or the coaches. You won't hire another coach until the college or NFL season is over, unless they aren't coaching now to talk them into staying. Those players that stay may not fit the schemes they want to run. Then you'll have the kids that are committed to Tennessee no matter who the coach is. We got desperate because signing day was getting closer and hired Dooley. If we hire good coaches and recruiters, it will work itself out.
 
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When this is all said and done I bet you all are pleased and will agree the athletic department did a good job 👏

Well I shouldn’t say all but most will be pleased. Just can’t please everyone. I know that.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
When this is all said and done I bet you all are pleased and will agree the athletic department did a good job 👏

Well I shouldn’t say all but most will be pleased. Just can’t please everyone. I know that.
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What makes you think that 🤔
 
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MrVolton said:
7 of the 8 seasons prior to his arrival were below .300 in total wins, not just SEC. What he has done here is equivalent or better than what Franklin did at Vandy.
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Not gonna act like I think Mullen is a home run or anything, but he'd be really solid IMO. Someone else was getting at the same thing before, but his winning % is .138 higher than the historical standard in Starkville (keep in mind this is over a stretch where the West has been consistently pretty strong, stronger than the East).

If he did somewhat similarly at UT, we'd be looking at a 9.5 win per regular season baseline. Personally, I'd be happy with that. If a team can hang around the 9-10 win range, there's always a chance of some bounces going their way and making a run. Of course, football doesn't always work out that neatly.

His overall record against ranked teams is troubling. His recruiting rankings aren't quite what you'd hope for (especially given some of the rumors concerning shady recruiting practices in Starkville over the past 5-6 years). But he does seem to get a lot of bang for his buck out of what he recruits. Averaging the 27th best in the nation and 9th or 10th (average came out at 9.55) in the SEC in recruiting, I'd expect a coach in the SEC West to closer to .500 than .600 overall.

I can get how some wouldn’t be thrilled with a Mullen hire. Only way bringing him inspires a whole lot of hope for a title run anytime soon is if they somehow manage to finagle a big time DC to come along with him.

That being said, he’s an upgrade to what we’ve got right now in just about every way and that’s undeniable. Sure, he’s only averaging about an extra win per season than Butch. However, an extra win last season puts us in a NY6 game. An extra win in 2015, if it’s against UF, puts us in Atlanta. If that win comes against pretty much any opponent we lost to in 2015 besides Arky, it changes how we all look back at that season in a big way.

If our past two seasons had finished with a trip to Atlanta in 2015 and a NY6 game in 2016, I’d have been happy enough. I think most around here would have been as well. Of course I’d rather get a Gruden, Stoops, or Kelly. But so would a lot of other teams who might have job openings in the next few weeks. And there’s a pretty good chance 2 or more of those guys aren’t coaching CFB next year anyway.

I also like Fuente and Patterson more, but both those guys are in positions where they don’t have a lot of motive to leave their current position any time soon. Fuente is in his 2nd year, looks to be a shoe in for a top 15 finish, and is at a spot that will put him under far less scrutiny than Knoxville. Patterson basically built what TCU is, is already making 4.75 million, and is looking at a likely top 10 finish.

So, IMO, the question becomes whether you go for the Dan Mullen type guy who can probably give us an 8-9 win baseline and a chance to get to Atlanta every 3-4 years or so or whether we go after a guy like Frost, Brohm, Morris, Houston, or Campbell (I know, I know, his buyout likely rules him out) who might have greater upside, but only have 2-3 seasons under their belt as HCs (or in Houston’s case, only have experience at a much, much lower level of football).

I’m a really, really big fan of Frost, but if I was in a theoretical position where both he and Mullen wanted to become our next HC and I was the one pulling the trigger, I can’t say which way I’d go TBH. As a fan, I’d be happy with either, but for completely different reasons. I’d have points of uncertainty with either as well.


I don’t really know where I’m going with any of this other than I think we’re gonna get a clear upgrade at HC and the world isn’t ending if we miss out on Gruden, Patterson, or Kelly.
 
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LA Vol said:
Beverly Davenport blackballed the Blackburn hire. She didn't think he was a strong candidate and she wanted a sitting P5 AD. Several power players wanted someone with Tennessee ties. John Currie was the compromise candidate. The vote wasn't unanimous and he still has fences to mend.
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If she wanted a sitting AD I would certainly bet you she wants an active coach... Is she part of the reason that some of the in the know people are not on the Gruden train as much as others, is she trying to block that hire
 
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In my opinion it’s time to get behind who the next coach is as a fan base, we haven’t collectively backed a coach since Fulmer. I’m ready for a change and believe in the next coach whoever that might be. I’m ready to be positive about UT football. I don’t believe for a second that volnation is gonna break Gruden getting before hubbs, Rucker, etc...
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Not gonna act like I think Mullen is a home run or anything, but he'd be really solid IMO. Someone else was getting at the same thing before, but his winning % is .138 higher than the historical standard in Starkville (keep in mind this is over a stretch where the West has been consistently pretty strong, stronger than the East).

If he did somewhat similarly at UT, we'd be looking at a 9.5 win per regular season baseline. Personally, I'd be happy with that. If a team can hang around the 9-10 win range, there's always a chance of some bounces going their way and making a run. Of course, football doesn't always work out that neatly.

His overall record against ranked teams is troubling. His recruiting rankings aren't quite what you'd hope for (especially given some of the rumors concerning shady recruiting practices in Starkville over the past 5-6 years). But he does seem to get a lot of bang for his buck out of what he recruits. Averaging the 27th best in the nation and 9th or 10th (average came out at 9.55) in the SEC in recruiting, I'd expect a coach in the SEC West to closer to .500 than .600 overall.

I can get how some wouldn’t be thrilled with a Mullen hire. Only way bringing him inspires a whole lot of hope for a title run anytime soon is if they somehow manage to finagle a big time DC to come along with him.

That being said, he’s an upgrade to what we’ve got right now in just about every way and that’s undeniable. Sure, he’s only averaging about an extra win per season than Butch. However, an extra win last season puts us in a NY6 game. An extra win in 2015, if it’s against UF, puts us in Atlanta. If that win comes against pretty much any opponent we lost to in 2015 besides Arky, it changes how we all look back at that season in a big way.

If our past two seasons had finished with a trip to Atlanta in 2015 and a NY6 game in 2016, I’d have been happy enough. I think most around here would have been as well. Of course I’d rather get a Gruden, Stoops, or Kelly. But so would a lot of other teams who might have job openings in the next few weeks. And there’s a pretty good chance 2 or more of those guys aren’t coaching CFB next year anyway.

I also like Fuente and Patterson more, but both those guys are in positions where they don’t have a lot of motive to leave their current position any time soon. Fuente is in his 2nd year, looks to be a shoe in for a top 15 finish, and is at a spot that will put him under far less scrutiny than Knoxville. Patterson basically built what TCU is, is already making 4.75 million, and is looking at a likely top 10 finish.

So, IMO, the question becomes whether you go for the Dan Mullen type guy who can probably give us an 8-9 win baseline and a chance to get to Atlanta every 3-4 years or so or whether we go after a guy like Frost, Brohm, Morris, Houston, or Campbell (I know, I know, his buyout likely rules him out) who might have greater upside, but only have 2-3 seasons under their belt as HCs (or in Houston’s case, only have experience at a much, much lower level of football).

I’m a really, really big fan of Frost, but if I was in a theoretical position where both he and Mullen wanted to become our next HC and I was the one pulling the trigger, I can’t say which way I’d go TBH. As a fan, I’d be happy with either, but for completely different reasons. I’d have points of uncertainty with either as well.


I don’t really know where I’m going with any of this other than I think we’re gonna get a clear upgrade at HC and the world isn’t ending if we miss out on Gruden, Patterson, or Kelly.
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He’s not averaging an extra win vs Butch... it’s the combo of Kiffin Dooley and Butch. Dooley’s teams drag that % down.

Your spot on regarding him being a known commodity vs higher ceiling. I want to win big, and Frost is a calculated risk worth taking, same as Florida taking Urban Meyer from Utah. I could be completely wrong, but I”ll take a potentially elite coach who may not be over a coach who seems to have around a 9 win ceiling.

All subjective of course
 
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