Recruiting Forum Talk XXXIX

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Bassmaster_Vol said:
If he isn't fired Saturday then Currie is just another uncaring AD for TN. He'll prove that all he cares about is $ and that he doesn't give a crap about the fans or the players.
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How is that proof? It is your opinion, that happens to be shared by some people, but not everyone. You have no idea what has been going on behind the scenes, yet you have no hesitation in branding people who you really know nothing about.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Bass - can you name me 5 interims who coached 6+ games with their team in the last decade?
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Why is that the standard? There have been many interim coaches take over mid season, happens every year. Larry Scott, Coach O last year, and many others, including at GA last year and Richt was far more successful than Butch is. But here at TN, we are in year 5 under Butch and are 0-3 to start the season in the SEC, have the worst loss in over 100 years, worst home loss ever at Neyland I believe, first shutout in over 300 games, will be murdered Saturday by our primary rival and might even break more records there, and are staring down the barrel of the worst season in the history of Tennessee Football. This team right now is playing worse than any team played under Dooley. Add to that the locker room fights, the divided locker room, the players quitting and transferring, the social media mess with the players, the national mockery that happens every week, nearly every day, etc. etc. Any of those schools in this situation and Butch is fired after GA.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
PosiBass is the same guy just opposite direction.

He thought I was crazy because I would take Fuente over Butch preseason. Now he’s clamoring that he can’t wait that’s he’s fired by week 7.

He’ll be back on board after the new hire. We all will be. At least for a while.
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Slightly incorrect. Not crazy. My point was that Fuente had not proven to be better than Butch at the time. But now, looking bad, Fuente is light years better than Butch and it isn't close. My apologies.
 
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Aesius said:
We would be 5-1 because we're playing bad teams. This year's schedule is a joke. The biggest issue is still the square peg in a round hole fit for the QBs. Even JG isn't an ideal fit, although he fits better than QD.
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Maybe. But I just can't say that the offense only relies on running QB's. I still believe that an above average athlete with a good arm can succeed in it. They just don't call plays to that strength. Maybe we are essentially saying the same thing.

But, with better development and play calls, we should have played in the Sugar Bowl followed up with currently being 5-1. People would say that is where we need to be.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
I dont have any issue with Trey at G. It was projected to be his NFL position anyway. His strength is smashing people and can do that at G. I personally would have kept Thomas at C, Robertson/Smith at G, Kendrick at T and let Richmond/Tatum/Jones battle for other T spot.
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Same
 
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Aesius said:
QB runs set up the pass in Jones's offense, IMO. Dobbs was an erratic passer for most of 2014 and into 2015, but he was able to develop and grow his confidence because he was still able to make plays with his legs.

I never understood Butch's decisions to recruit guys like Dormady.

We should have 3-4 highly athletic QBs on the roster. Don't even need Deshaun Watsons or Marcus Mariotas. There are plenty of very fast guys out there who are mediocre passers who would thrive in this offense.

When the QB is a threat to break off runs at any time, everything opens up. But when the QB isn't a threat, this offense becomes ridiculously one-dimensional and ineffective.
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Review of Cincy's O in 2011.

Cincinnati Bearcats Football 2011 In Review | Quarterbacks - Down The Drive

They seemed to think Collaros (their Dobbs equivalent) was not a good fit in Butch's O, that the O works better with the tall pocket passer. Of course Butch had signed Munchie Legaux as his future DT QB at that point.

So all I can say is the O is poorly schemed and obviously does not work as well as it should with either style.
 
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If we missed out on some of the bigger names, Kelly, Patterson, Peterson, Mullen, and some of the lesser knowns, I would take Richt in a HEARTBEAT. Very humble man and a great coach.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Why is that the standard? There have been many interim coaches take over mid season, happens every year. Larry Scott, Coach O last year, and many others, including at GA last year and Richt was far more successful than Butch is. But here at TN, we are in year 5 under Butch and are 0-3 to start the season in the SEC, have the worst loss in over 100 years, worst home loss ever at Neyland I believe, first shutout in over 300 games, will be murdered Saturday by our primary rival and might even break more records there, and are staring down the barrel of the worst season in the history of Tennessee Football. This team right now is playing worse than any team played under Dooley. Add to that the locker room fights, the divided locker room, the players quitting and transferring, the social media mess with the players, the national mockery that happens every week, nearly every day, etc. etc. Any of those schools in this situation and Butch is fired after GA.
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There wasn't an interim at UGA. The LSU debacle was a cluster because it forced them to hire Orgeron as full time coach.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Maybe. But I just can't say that the offense only relies on running QB's. I still believe that an above average athlete with a good arm can succeed in it. They just don't call plays to that strength. Maybe we are essentially saying the same thing.

But, with better development and play calls, we should have played in the Sugar Bowl followed up with currently being 5-1. People would say that is where we need to be.
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Agree with you there. The issue is multi-faceted. Maybe the playcalling is better by default with a QB who fits the offense.
 
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Vols4us said:
Review of Cincy's O in 2011.

Cincinnati Bearcats Football 2011 In Review | Quarterbacks - Down The Drive

They seemed to think Collaros (their Dobbs equivalent) was not a good fit in Butch's O, that the O works better with the tall pocket passer. Of course Butch had signed Munchie Legaux as his future DT QB at that point.

So all I can say is the O is poorly schemed and obviously does not work as well as it should with either style.
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The only two guys to ever have major success in Butch's offense were highly athletic. Dan LeFevour and Josh Dobbs. Everyone else put up pedestrian/bad stats.

The offense could probably work with a top-notch pocket passer, but we don't even have that. Just two fairly mediocre QBs who don't excel at anything.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Why is that the standard? There have been many interim coaches take over mid season, happens every year. Larry Scott, Coach O last year, and many others, including at GA last year and Richt was far more successful than Butch is.
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What are you talking about? Richt coached the entire season in 2015.

So you named 2. The 2 everyone knows about and then said "many others" when you couldn't think of any more.

Larry Scott coached 5 plus the bowl game. Orgeron last year being the other.

You are being irrational. Everything is gonna be ok. Butch is gonna get fired man. It will happen and the earth won't end if it takes a little longer than you want.
 
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Aesius said:
The only two guys to ever have major success in Butch's offense were highly athletic. Dan LeFevour and Josh Dobbs. Everyone else put up pedestrian/bad stats.

The offense could probably work with a top-notch pocket passer, but we don't even have that. Just two fairly mediocre QBs who don't excel at anything.
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I agree. I'm curious how JG will respond in a better O. I think it is a pointless exercise with QD. You either step up into the pocket fearlessly or you don't.

But I have never liked this O at UT. Even when Butch was announced I knew what I had seen out of it at CMU and Cincy. I was willing to see how it translated and hoped he would adapt it. He didn't and it didn't. Time to move on.
 
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Everything starts up front. Terrible line play disrupts all facets of the offense. Seems we’ve struggled on oline every year Butch has been here. I’d put that on scheme more than anything.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
Our “rational” post judge in this thread posted it a few posts above yours
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Dude you know damn well I didn't say that. I just pointed out that reps under a coaching staff that won't be here next year isn't as beneficial as under coaches of the future.

You sure are good at putting incorrect words into posters mouths.
 
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VolGee4 said:
There wasn't an interim at UGA. The LSU debacle was a cluster because it forced them to hire Orgeron as full time coach.
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They didn't have an interim to finish the season? Who coached the bowl game? Richt didn't.

And it doesn't matter how it turned out, the fact remains that they turned the team over to an interim in mid season. Wasn't Dabo an interim also?
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Was Muschamp in year 5? Did Muschamp win 11 games before he went 4-8? Was there reason for hope with Muschamp? Now how about Butch?
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UF also had a ton of injuries that year so he kinda got a pass, especially coming off a sugar bowl. They weren't terrible the first part of the season. There's really zero excuse this year for Butch
 
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BigZiti09 said:
What are you talking about? Richt coached the entire season in 2015.

So you named 2. The 2 everyone knows about and then said "many others" when you couldn't think of any more.

Larry Scott coached 5 plus the bowl game. Orgeron last year being the other.

You are being irrational. Everything is gonna be ok. Butch is gonna get fired man. It will happen and the earth won't end if it takes a little longer than you want.
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It is not being irrational to hope that Butch is fired before he brings us the worst season in the history of Tennessee Football. Why is that so hard to understand? I do not want this team to go 4-8, and they look like they will with Butch if not 3-9. That is not irrational. And there have been many interims throughout the years, who cares if it was 6 games or not? My mistake with Richt, I thought he was fired earlier, but he just didn't coach the bowl game.
 
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Smokey123 said:
UF also had a ton of injuries that year so he kinda got a pass, especially coming off a sugar bowl. They weren't terrible the first part of the season. There's really zero excuse this year for Butch
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Thats my point. If Muschamp started like Butch in year 5 he would've been fired.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
If Butch were at Florida, Alabama, LSU, or GA would he still have his job today?
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The answer is yes...on both CBJ and AD Currie.

A brief study of the hiring history of those 4 schools would show that in recent history, LSU was the only one to fire a coach in the middle of the season, and the decision to fire him was most likely made the previous year. Given that LSU ended up trading Les Miles for Ed Ogre, I wouldn't look to them for inspiration...their AD is a known lunatic. As for the other schools, they fired their coaches at the end of the season. As I recall, Bama's AD took quite a while to get Saban on board.

Since Currie has not given CBJ a "vote of confidence" and there does seem to be quite a bit of smoke around, it is pretty obvious that he is working on a replacement. Let the man do his job.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
No

Yes

No

No

Point stands. Wouldn’t be fired at UF at this point in the season.
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The only thing that saved Muschamp from being fired after the 7th game was beating a top Uga team. Had they lost to Uga he would have been fired after, which would have put them at 3-4, same record UT will have after Bama. That was also still in year 4 and had a top 10 sugar bowl season just 2 seasons before
 
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