Recruiting Forum Talk XXXIX

[McGeesPub]

The funniest part of the Gruden stuff is that we will get it done and hire him this time and a guy that hasn't coached a down of football in over a decade will not set the world on fire and you guys will lose your mind.

By then they will have enough experience for the Coomors or the Teemors to be a thing.

 

[volatil]

Ya that's an asinine rumor. Unless they've acquired a new ultra wealthy booster lately, they're not forking over the 30M or so to fire Moras squad and hire Kelly's.

That's an agent getting media to float the rumor to put pressure on a program like UT

 

[BJWeeks]

His handle is "Hutch 7" and I believe the original thread was titled "Just passing along morning info". But since then he's posted many times in many different threads on the same subject.

And don't forget he NEVER Jon Gruden was going to accept the job. He just said he's been approached and is listening. He also believes he WILL coach again soon and hopes (like we all do) that he chooses UT. He also said (not sure if posted before) that his contract with ESPN comes up this year. And last time around it was real, Gruden was very interested then but UT wouldn't give him the power he required. This time he's being given EVERYTHING he asked for last time around. Ball is in his court...

I jsut got a big Gruden

 

[jave36]

That's an agent getting media to float the rumor to put pressure on a program like UT

Ya cowherd should be better than that. Being a mouthpiece for an agent. I wonder if he was promised he'd get to break the Kelly hire if he agreed to float what is such an obvious "agent trying to drive up maker value" rumor.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

It's all just evidence why this fanbase deserves nothing. We are just fat old guys that drink beer at tailgates and act like we somehow deserve something. We aren't owed anything.

Bama fans have given death threats to their kicker in the midst of an 11 win season.


Arkansas fans set their QBs truck on fire a few years back.


SEC schools all have some bad eggs. You’re just more in tune with ours and forgetting other teams’ because your half senile and your memory is failing you.

 

[volfaninpa]

Would you take any of these 5 coaches for UT's next head coach?

-Jon Gruden
-Gary Patterson
-Chip Kelly
-Scott Frost
-Jim Bob Cooter


What is your biggest reservation with each one?

 

[Kingston Vol]

We're reaching a tipping point where Jon Gruden may be hurting the program more than he knows. If he doesn't want the job he needs to come out publicly and explicitly state it.

1) we're spending all this time trying to woo him when we could spend it with Chip Kelly or someone else.

2) whichever coach we hire will always have the Gruden shadow lingering over him. If this process ends with Jeff Brohm we should all be ecstatic because he's a very good coach and motivator of men. However, a large portion of the fanbase will believe we did something wrong because Gruden didn't take the job. The reality is just that we're trying our hardest to get him but in all likelihood he just really enjoys the attention but does not want to coach college football.

 

[volatil]

Bama fans have given death threats to their kicker in the midst of an 11 win season.


Arkansas fans set their QBs truck on fire a few years back.


SEC schools all have some bad eggs. You’re just more in tune with ours and forgetting other teams’ because your half senile and your memory is failing you.

Some idiot sent a racist letter to Sumlin's house a few weeks ago.

 

[GoBigOrange86]

It does seem a lot like last search,but this isn't random people on VN saying stuff- JAV and Vol Obrien or some name similiar- and now who appears to be Cindy's cousin on other sites,who are considered to be well respected posters,are saying positive things too.

There were "respected people" getting in on it five years ago, too. And someone says on another board they are Cindy Gruden's cousin? A guy on here had people convinced for years that he was Travis Stephens.

Come on, y'all.

 

[Face]

Would you take any of these 5 coaches for UT's next head coach?

-Jon Gruden
-Gary Patterson
-Chip Kelly
-Scott Frost
-Jim Bob Cooter


What is your biggest reservation with each one?

Gruden - been out of coaching a while. Does he have the skill set for the college game?
Gary - can he do what he does with elite talent (and the egos that come with it). Can’t he do it against teams this physical year in and year out.
Kelly - is this a destination for him?
Frost - fools gold?
JBC - hasn’t been a head coach at any level. Very big change from OC at NFL to HC running a football program.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Bruce Feldman just made comment validating what someone else said here regarding Nebraska hiring the AD means Mike Leach becomes a key player there if it opens. coukd be good news on Frost front.

frost at TN makes more football sense than Nebraska. Easier to recruit the type of players he wants to run his system at TN than Nebraska. You can take those relationships being built at UCF with you to TN better than Nebraska. Instate talent is being built to compete at high level for any system.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Bruce Feldman just made comment validating what someone else said here regarding Nebraska hiring the AD means Mike Leach becomes a key player there if it opens. coukd be good news on Frost front.

frost at TN makes more football sense than Nebraska. Easier to recruit the type of players he wants to run his system at TN than Nebraska. You can take those relationships being built at UCF with you to TN better than Nebraska. Instate talent is being built to compete at high level for any system.

frost would kill it here

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Some idiot sent a racist letter to Sumlin's house a few weeks ago.

I’d forgotten about that.

Kind of missing the point/changing the topic, but I remember noticing that the guy who wrote it had really nice handwriting. I usually don’t imagine the type of racist pricks who’d sent a letter like that to have that lol

 

[Nashvegas31]

We're reaching a tipping point where Jon Gruden may be hurting the program more than he knows. If he doesn't want the job he needs to come out publicly and explicitly state it.

1) we're spending all this time trying to woo him when we could spend it with Chip Kelly or someone else.

2) whichever coach we hire will always have the Gruden shadow lingering over him. If this process ends with Jeff Brohm we should all be ecstatic because he's a very good coach and motivator of men. However, a large portion of the fanbase will believe we did something wrong because Gruden didn't take the job. The reality is just that we're trying our hardest to get him but in all likelihood he just really enjoys the attention but does not want to coach college football.

Naw. Plenty of time. We also don't know what is being said behind closed doors. It could all be smokescreens. Currie isnt going to just sit and wait on one guy. He will have other talks lined up as it helps with negotiations if your saying ok Jon, we are talking tin chip too but your our top guy. It can speed those things up.

If we miss on gruden this time by giving him everything he asked then it goes away sonit wont hurt the next guy. It will be a closed door

 

[orange parmejohn]

We're reaching a tipping point where Jon Gruden may be hurting the program more than he knows. If he doesn't want the job he needs to come out publicly and explicitly state it.

1) we're spending all this time trying to woo him when we could spend it with Chip Kelly or someone else.

2) whichever coach we hire will always have the Gruden shadow lingering over him. If this process ends with Jeff Brohm we should all be ecstatic because he's a very good coach and motivator of men. However, a large portion of the fanbase will believe we did something wrong because Gruden didn't take the job. The reality is just that we're trying our hardest to get him but in all likelihood he just really enjoys the attention but does not want to coach college football.

This is why I believe that Gruden was listening last time and may be listening this time. He knows how much the fanbase is clamouring for him. I just cant believe that he is that level of attention whore, to just soak it up and let the university pay the price.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I honestly don't know any more. The whole thing is a mess.

I road the elevator down with Coach Scott and the other offensive personnel after the game and it was sad to see just how defeated they were. Coach Scott had his head down with hands over his head. Also, it seems that on that final play Kelly wasn't supposed to block and was instead supposed to release into the flat.

Hate it for Scott. I’ve been super critical of him as an OC, but I feel for him. He never should’ve been out in a position like this in the first place. The SEC is no place for a first time OC.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Would you take any of these 5 coaches for UT's next head coach?

-Jon Gruden
-Gary Patterson
-Chip Kelly
-Scott Frost
-Jim Bob Cooter


What is your biggest reservation with each one?

Frost

 

[MetalVolunteer]

Gruden is not coming, please come back to reality

 

[orange parmejohn]

Naw. Plenty of time. We also don't know what is being said behind closed doors. It could all be smokescreens. Currie isnt going to just sit and wait on one guy. He will have other talks lined up as it helps with negotiations if your saying ok Jon, we are talking tin chip too but your our top guy. It can speed those things up.

If we miss on gruden this time by giving him everything he asked then it goes away sonit wont hurt the next guy. It will be a closed door

But even behind the scenes, if there is no possibility, the rumors should be squashed. It's not a good look.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Top 10 most valuable football teams in 2017 according to the Wall Street Journal

1. Ohio State $1,510,482,000
2. Texas $1,243,124,000
3. Oklahoma $1,001,967,000
4. Alabama $930,001,000
5. LSU $910,927,000
6. Michigan $892,951,000
7. Notre Dame $856,938,000
8. Georgia $822,310,000
9. Tennessee $745,640,000
10. Auburn $724,191,000

Ohio State bests Alabama, Auburn as most valuable college football program | AL.com

The full list of 100 teams in the ranking are behind a paywall but I have a pirated copy.

1 Ohio State 1,510,482,000
2 Texas 1,243,124,000
3 Oklahoma 1,001,967,000
4 Alabama 930,001,000
5 LSU 910,927,000
6 Michigan 892,951,000
7 Notre Dame 856,938,000
8 Georgia 822,310,000
9 Tennessee 745,640,000
10 Auburn 724,191,000
11 Florida 682,031,000
12 Penn State 549,497,000
13 Texas A & M 522,863,000
14 Nebraska 507,679,000
15 South Carolina 484,757,000
16 Iowa 483,564,000
17 Arkansas 456,153,000
18 Wisconsin 439,379,000
19 Washington 434,313,000
20 Florida State 385,339,000
21 Oregon 368,529,000
22 Michigan State 336,794,000
23 Mississippi 330,503,000
24 Clemson 328,411,000
25 Southern California 324,195,000
26 Arizona State 315,412,000
27 UCLA 314,436,000
28 Kentucky 287,589,000
29 Oklahoma State 285,293,000
30 Kansas State 277,203,000
31 Virginia Tech 269,883,000
32 Minnesota 260,264,000
33 Miami of Florida 254,502,000
34 Texas Tech 246,871,000
35 Miss State 230,655,000
36 Stanford 225,479,000
37 California Berkeley 220,017,000
38 Georgia Tech 212,068,000
39 Utah 206,365,000
40 Colorado 203,533,000
41 Iowa State 196,973,000
42 North Carolina State 191,813,000
43 Kansas 183,031,000
44 Indiana 178,168,000
45 Virginia 168,534,000
46 Northwestern 163,315,000
47 Louisville 160,899,000
48 Texas Christian 153,631,000
49 Maryland 147,608,000
50 North Carolina 147,179,000
51 Arizona 146,153,000
52 Oregon State 144,713,000
53 Illinois 143,318,000
54 Wash State 142,052,000
55 Purdue 135,021,000
56 Missouri 126,219,000
57 Syracuse 120,903,000
58 Pittsburgh 114,468,000
59 Baylor 103,591,000
60 BYU 98,924,000
61 Central Florida 82,302,000
62 Boston College 82,241,000
63 Boise State 77,981,000
64 Vanderbilt 73,991,000
65 Rutgers 72,441,000
66 West Virginia 72,049,000
67 South Florida 70,189,000
68 Duke 64,195,000
69 Connecticut 59,776,000
70 Wake Forest 52,940,000
71 Houston 41,386,000
72 Temple 40,669,000
73 Army 38,048,000
74 Southern Methodist 36,047,000
75 Wyoming 34,554,000
76 Memphis 32,290,000
77 Cincinnati 30,230,000
78 Colorado State 30,221,000
79 Fresno State 29,325,000
80 North Texas 29,266,000
81 East Carolina 28,408,000
82 San Diego State 27,716,000
83 Hawaii 26,284,000
84 Florida International 24,145,000
85 Ohio 22,302,000
86 UNLV 21,772,000
87 Marshall 21,483,000
88 Rice 21,453,000
89 San Jose State 21,370,000
90 Akron 20,235,000
91 UTEP 19,344,000
92 Middle Tennessee 19,322,000
93 Toledo 18,736,000
94 Utah State 18,305,000
95 Nevada 17,478,000
96 Western Michigan 17,134,000
97 Western Kentucky 16,532,000
98 Northern Illinois 16,141,000
99 Buffalo 16,090,000
100 New Mexico 15,380,000

 

[Dooby15]

If no Gruden or Kelly, then throw the money at Frost. Keep Shoop and let him do his thing.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

If no Gruden or Kelly, then throw the money at Frost. Keep Shoop and let him do his thing.

I’d take Frost over Kelly.

 

[Dooby15]

Gruden is not coming, please come back to reality

Small % for sure. But to say that he's not the least bit interested or considering having so much power at a major unverisity that his son attends is asinine.

 

[Dooby15]

I’d take Frost over Kelly.

Yeah I'm starting to lean that way as well. They both have a killer instinct they we've missed for awhile.

 

[Nashvegas31]

But even behind the scenes, if there is no possibility, the rumors should be squashed. It's not a good look.

why is it a bad look? Its not a bad look to the nation. It says your serious. Currie will let it stay out there whether it's legit or not because it allows him to work unnoticed with other candidates.