Recruiting Forum Talk XXXIX

[Rishvol]

Something happen to Bald Biker?

He spoke his mind to the BOT and now his wife is sending an SOS

 

[85SugarVol]

He spoke his mind to the BOT and now his wife is sending an SOS

Say wut

 

[Nash_Vol97]

[twitter]https://twitter.com/espn/status/919552299617439744[/twitter]

 

[LA Vol]

He spoke his mind to the BOT and now his wife is sending an SOS

How? They haven't met.

 

[Kingston Vol]

How? They haven't met.

These cats?

They met last week.

UT Board of Trustees – The governing body of the University of Tennessee System

 

[orangefreak21]

Two seasons ago we led 20-7 in the 3rd and 27-14 in the 4th quarter vs UF on the road. Those moments were extreme high points as Vol fans. Looked as though we had made it "back" to relevance.

We were dominating the game and looked to drain the swamp. And then we blew it.. again. Fast forward til last season against VANDY and Jones blew that game as well. To Vandy for Christ sake.

Now he's having his worst season to date and it's safe to say it's time to cut ties. Doesn't really matter when but he has no future in Knoxville. The sooner the better.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

I was around in 2012 where there was so much information you didn’t know who to believe.

This seems to be the opposite. There’s such a lack of information, that you can’t believe anything out there.

I’m sure stuff guys like SBV say is accurate based on the information they have. The “good list” info I’m sure is true, at least from who boosters think would be good. But like we saw last time, those sources are only as good as the final decision. There’s literally nothing coming from the AD. Unless you count the Hubbs burner account post last night.

I've been in a lot of high level managment meetings and I've learned that a lot of these sorts of people are really not that more informed than you or I. It comes down to who does their homework. The guys I respect most at the top are the ones who ask questions not tell you how it's going to be. Leaders over bosses. I don't doubt there's a list. What I sort of doubt is if it's realistic or if they're truly committed to paying for "the right guy."

Guys like Jon Gruden, Chip Kelly, Gary Patterson, Chris Petersen, you have to offer these guys the CEO position of the football program, an obscene amount of money both in terms of their compensation and so that they have no salary caps when they go to hire a premiere staff.

From what I've seen so far we're maybe talking about adding another $1 or 2 million to our overall football staff budget. I'm not impressed. It's my job (or it was my job) to tell you that you need to add $20 million a year to your overall football budget. You don't want to hear that. I've done a number of projects in the few hundred to several hundred million dollar range and I've never been short changed on funding. I get a lot of push back initially and have to defend by budget approval request for weeks but in the end my budget has always been approved. I'm not a yes man. I am extremely independent minded and I'm a fighter. I only want you to be successful and if you listen to me it's your best shot and whatever you decide I'll do my best but I'm telling you now we need to keep $20 million more of our football profits in the program or we're almost certainly not going to be competitive at the top of the SEC. jmo.

A premiere staff for us will, imo, cost at least twice as much as what we are now spending, probably more the first year because for the head guy you're going to need to offer an outrageous signing bonus. jmo.

Think about it like this. Why would you think you could achieve the same or better level of consistent success than your most successful competitors on a dollar store budget?

At least one of the guys I've listed would say yes to being the highest paid football coach in ALL of football and to having the highest paid staff in ALL of football. Is that what you want? One of those guys? If we keep that $20 million in football profits in the program we can still give the Athletic department the other $50 million or so in remaining profits for their other programs and with a consistently winning football program the profits would likely rise even more. jmo.

And yes, my job in industry has always been to spend other people's money but it's also been to make sure that they know what they are paying for and that they get what they're paying for. My name is ChattaTNVol and I am in project controls (Project planning, estimating, scheduling, cost management, and performance reporting).

Here's what you paid for the last time and given what you spending I'd say your got your money's worth. jmo.

 

[ob79]

He's right.


[Twitter]https://twitter.com/BarrettSallee/status/919585091994685440[/twitter]

 

[vol2002]

Butch did a lot good things here. I don’t hate him. I think though if I can boil it down to one thing it is his desire to try and control every detai and outcome.

At some point when you recruit as much talent as he did you have to just let them play and see what happens.

That last drive by JG gave me some modest hope. He can sling it and I think if we let him loose we can score 25+ per game in the back half of the schedule outside of LSU.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

I've been in a lot of high level managment meetings and I've learned that a lot of these sorts of people are really not that more informed than you or I. It comes down to who does their homework. The guys I respect most at the top are the ones who ask questions not tell you how it's going to be. Leaders over bosses. I don't doubt there's a list. What I sort of doubt is if it's realistic or if they're truly committed to paying for "the right guy."

Guys like Jon Gruden, Chip Kelly, Gary Patterson, Chris Petersen, you have to offer these guys the CEO position of the football program, an obscene amount of money both in terms of their compensation and so that they have no salary caps when they go to hire a premiere staff.

From what I've seen so far we're maybe talking about adding another $1 or 2 million to our overall football staff budget. I'm not impressed. It's my job (or it was my job) to tell you that you need to add $20 million a year to your overall football budget. You don't want to hear that. I've done a number of projects in the few hundred to several hundred million dollar range and I've never been short changed on funding. I get a lot of push back initially and have to defend by budget approval request for weeks but in the end my budget has always been approved. I'm not a yes man. I am extremely independent minded and I'm a fighter. I only want you to be successful and if you listen to me it's your best shot and whatever you decide I'll do my best but I'm telling you now we need to keep $20 million more of our football profits in the program or we're almost certainly not going to be competitive at the top of the SEC. jmo.

A premiere staff for us will, imo, cost at least twice as much as what we are now spending, probably more the first year because for the head guy you're going to need to offer an outrageous signing bonus. jmo.

Think about it like this. Why would you think you could achieve the same or better level of consistent success than your most successful competitors on a dollar store budget?

At least one of the guys I've listed would say yes to being the highest paid football coach in ALL of football and to having the highest paid staff in ALL of football. Is that what you want? One of those guys? If we keep that $20 million in football profits in the program we can still give the Athletic department the other $50 million or so in remaining profits for their other programs and with a consistently winning football program the profits would likely rise even more. jmo.

And yes, my job in industry has always been to spend other people's money but it's also been to make sure that they know what they are paying for and that they get what they're paying for. My name is ChattaTNVol and I am in project controls (Project planning, estimating, scheduling, cost management, and performance reporting).

Here's what you paid for the last time and given what you spending I'd say your got your money's worth. jmo.

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TL;DR.

Did check out the spreadsheet tho

 

[LA Vol]

These cats?

They met last week.

UT Board of Trustees – The governing body of the University of Tennessee System

Committee meetings. Fall meeting is in November. They can call a special meeting before that, but they haven't. Yet.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Please explain to me in detail how he telegraphs run or pass? We run out of 11 personell a lot which is usually a pass set.

We gashed them early in the game so was that predictable.

Please do some research on that Miami football season. He was the primary offensive gameplanner after Gordon was let go. Miami players even talk about it in interviews.

11 personnel is the base personnel for Butch’s offense. It’s not “usually a pass set” by any means. We did most of our running out of 11 personnel last season.

Pay attention to the playcalls you see when he goes away from our base 11 look. 21 personnel? Run. Defense doesn’t have to worry about the pass. Are we in trips? We’re throwing the ball 3/4 times. Are we under center? Over half the time, we run a PA pass. Scott’s tendencies are terribly predictable based on how we line up. If I’m recognizing this stuff, you can bet your a** opposing DCs and defenders see it as well. It’s painfully obvious and predictable.


As for Scott’s time at Miami, I’d recommend you do some research and take your pro-Scott bias out of the equation. He never called plays, their offense wasn’t all that good anyway, and the best offer he could find after his time as interim HC and “primary offensive gameplanner” at Miami was another TE coaching position.


Scott just isn’t a good playcaller or OC. Maybe he can do a good job of gameplanning and helping an OC prepare, but he’s just not an OC at this level. He’s got the upside to be a pretty good G5 CEO type of coach down the line, but he’s never going to be a successful P5 OC.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I've been in a lot of high level managment meetings and I've learned that a lot of these sorts of people are really not that more informed than you or I. It comes down to who does their homework. The guys I respect most at the top are the ones who ask questions not tell you how it's going to be. Leaders over bosses. I don't doubt there's a list. What I sort of doubt is if it's realistic or if they're truly committed to paying for "the right guy."

Guys like Jon Gruden, Chip Kelly, Gary Patterson, Chris Petersen, you have to offer these guys the CEO position of the football program, an obscene amount of money both in terms of their compensation and so that they have no salary caps when they go to hire a premiere staff.

From what I've seen so far we're maybe talking about adding another $1 or 2 million to our overall football staff budget. I'm not impressed. It's my job (or it was my job) to tell you that you need to add $20 million a year to your overall football budget. You don't want to hear that. I've done a number of projects in the few hundred to several hundred million dollar range and I've never been short changed on funding. I get a lot of push back initially and have to defend by budget approval request for weeks but in the end my budget has always been approved. I'm not a yes man. I am extremely independent minded and I'm a fighter. I only want you to be successful and if you listen to me it's your best shot and whatever you decide I'll do my best but I'm telling you now we need to keep $20 million more of our football profits in the program or we're almost certainly not going to be competitive at the top of the SEC. jmo.

A premiere staff for us will, imo, cost at least twice as much as what we are now spending, probably more the first year because for the head guy you're going to need to offer an outrageous signing bonus. jmo.

Think about it like this. Why would you think you could achieve the same or better level of consistent success than your most successful competitors on a dollar store budget?

At least one of the guys I've listed would say yes to being the highest paid football coach in ALL of football and to having the highest paid staff in ALL of football. Is that what you want? One of those guys? If we keep that $20 million in football profits in the program we can still give the Athletic department the other $50 million or so in remaining profits for their other programs and with a consistently winning football program the profits would likely rise even more. jmo.

And yes, my job in industry has always been to spend other people's money but it's also been to make sure that they know what they are paying for and that they get what they're paying for. My name is ChattaTNVol and I am in project controls (Project planning, estimating, scheduling, cost management, and performance reporting).

Here's what you paid for the last time and given what you spending I'd say your got your money's worth. jmo.

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Excellent post. I've been preaching this for sometime. You get what you pay for. TN is in the top echelon for revenue but the bottom for spending. It goes so much further than what you pay your head coach. It makes for a great business plan but not for wins and losses. Question is, do the major players at TN want to be a championship level program or do they want to win the profit bowl? Another question is, will the fans continue to pay for filet mignon and accept being served **** sandwiches?

 

[Kingston Vol]

Committee meetings. Fall meeting is in November. They can call a special meeting before that, but they haven't. Yet.

Would be a public statement, correct? So we'd know if they called a meeting. I worked in the President's office for a smaller college for a time and they always wanted to keep decisions like this as quiet as possible. I would imagine there's an email chain and calls scheduled already.

I don't remember - when Dooley was fired did they have a full meeting that the public was aware of?

 

[ChattaTNVol]

TL;DR.

Did check out the spreadsheet tho

Yeah I should have just said we're getting what we pay for. I'm a bit wordy. It's one of the few things Butch and I have in common.

 

[jave36]

Go and watch videos of when Scott was interim at Miami. Offense and scheme is night and day

Scott wasn't calling plays while he was HC at Miami.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Scott wasn't calling plays while he was HC at Miami.

This. Call him the “primary offensive gameplanner” all you want, but it’s not like he was running his own system or anything.

What HC with an offensive background isn’t going to be one of the primary offensive gameplanners?

 

[LA Vol]

Saban told Bama that they had to invest in football to make the program the best in the country, and his demands were met. It paid off. IDT UT is going to invest at that level. There are too many high level decision makers who won't go along with that thinking and don't share those expectations or goals. UT could be at a much higher level, though, and with the right coach, we could return to being an elite program. Right now, we're a joke and there's no excuse for a program with UT's history and resources to have fallen to this level.

 

[Aesius]

Saban told Bama that they had to invest in football to make the program the best in the country, and his demands were met. It paid off. IDT UT is going to invest at that level. There are too many high level decision makers who won't go along with that thinking and don't share those expectations or goals. UT could be at a much higher level, though, and with the right coach, we could return to being an elite program. Right now, we're a joke and there's no excuse for a program with UT's history and resources to have fallen to this level.

Any truth to the rumor that Jim Haslam wants to see Tennessee become more like UVA and abandon its pursuit of athletics in favor of academics?

 

[rocktopper16]

Hmm... it’s kind of more Thai food here. There’s a some quaint coffee places though. I don’t drink coffee, but we could have a drink and I’ll just have tea before I utterly wreck you, if you’re cool with that

Definitely, go out on the town afterwards,?

 

[gordonr24]

Any truth to the rumor that Jim Haslam wants to see Tennessee become more like UVA and abandon its pursuit of athletics in favor of academics?

Perhaps. But as soon as he croaks, we can abandon that ambition.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Okay, Church is over. He been fired yet?

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Typically.

There is one person that has his ear more so than others.

Peyton?

 

[ob79]

Perhaps. But as soon as he croaks, we can abandon that ambition.

There's no reason that this University can't be both. Michigan, Florida, Stanford, and Notre Dame are all schools who have devoted ample resources to both academics and football programs.

Not to mention the strides that Alabama has made in enrollment since Saban took over.

As Joe Johnson, our former university president, once said "athletics is the front porch of the University."

Big Jim is an idiot if he thinks we shouldn't pursue excellence in both academics AND athletics.

 

[NMVol]

Perhaps. But as soon as he croaks, we can abandon that ambition.

Why abandon who you are. I remember the sixties Ray Mears, the Tom Black track, leading swimming program, and a championship football team. It's what TN does best. It's a reflection of a strong academic program. Is UVA elite, maybe but athletic health is a greater recommendation than financial health.