John Currie possibly has already lost faith from the boosters?

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One more chance has been given for the ?? Time and a win against SC will be righting the ship for the ?? Time. Folks need to boycott one time for no more chances.
 
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vols1707 said:
Here is something that I am concerned with the non-action being a deeper issue. The worst thing for Tennessee right now is not firing a coach that's incompetent at his job and now being shot full of holes in every word he speaks by the national media.
This is damaging the Tennessee brand and Turing the university into a laughing stock of college football because of one man Butch Jones. What could be a possible reason for the non-action from John Currie? The reason to let one coach damage your brand and not take action that makes the most sense is scary for a bigger picture for Tennessee.
Butch wanted to get an extension as soon as Currie was hired. Currie didn't do it said he wanted to take a look at things and then make a decision. So...
1. What did Currie see that made him have confidence in Butch Jones? (Looking back from 2015 Butch Jones blew game, after game with bad coaching decisions) players were in positions to win games then lost with bad timeouts, not calling a timeout, 3&outs with no run plays with leads in games. Going for 2, not going for 2. You name it Butch Jones made the mistake. And the biggest concern in 2015 season is he never learned from those mistakes. Had double digit leads in 4th quarter of every game.
2. Move on to the 2016 season. Early season despite games Tennessee should have won by 2-3 touchdowns based on talent. Players were missused, not used, bad play calling, predictable play calling, not using timeouts, using timeouts at wrong times, not going for 2 when you should. Yes exact same issues from 2015 makes same calls not learning from his mistakes.

So Currie looks at the program under Jones. All of these mistakes Butch continues to make are there on tape. Everyone knows you can't hide from your tape.

So after seeing the tape (Currie has not been here to watch first hand the level of incompetence from Butch Jones) He decides he wants to give Butch Jones an extension!!! For what reason after reviewing Butch Jones tape?? So with that head scratching decision to give him an extension as a new AD, who everyone was waiting on to get here to do one thing.... FIRE BUTCH JONES and bring in "his" guy. Then as AD John Currie has to go to the boosters and talk them into an extension for Butch Jones.
Now here we are just a few months later. And he is needing to talk them into firing, just a few months after talking them into extension.
Very concerning on a couple levels. One that would cause major problems with trust in Currie with the boosters.

And most concerning for us as fans. He saw the tape on Butch Jones and offered and EXTENSION to him this year. I don't have absolute faith in John Currie to even hire the right guy based on this. Hopeful it's taken out of his hands, with a search committee or someone else do it for him. Either way this likely scenario could explain what's going on right now with the lack of action at Tennessee.

Hopefully Tennessee makes the right moves here but based on actions from John Currie. I am worrried about the direction, and the decision making from the AD office once again.
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Currie can do nothing in this situation on his own.. those boosters would be involved with him on any decision.
 
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vols1707 said:
Here is something that I am concerned with the non-action being a deeper issue. The worst thing for Tennessee right now is not firing a coach that's incompetent at his job and now being shot full of holes in every word he speaks by the national media.
This is damaging the Tennessee brand and Turing the university into a laughing stock of college football because of one man Butch Jones. What could be a possible reason for the non-action from John Currie? The reason to let one coach damage your brand and not take action that makes the most sense is scary for a bigger picture for Tennessee.
Butch wanted to get an extension as soon as Currie was hired. Currie didn't do it said he wanted to take a look at things and then make a decision. So...
1. What did Currie see that made him have confidence in Butch Jones? (Looking back from 2015 Butch Jones blew game, after game with bad coaching decisions) players were in positions to win games then lost with bad timeouts, not calling a timeout, 3&outs with no run plays with leads in games. Going for 2, not going for 2. You name it Butch Jones made the mistake. And the biggest concern in 2015 season is he never learned from those mistakes. Had double digit leads in 4th quarter of every game.
2. Move on to the 2016 season. Early season despite games Tennessee should have won by 2-3 touchdowns based on talent. Players were missused, not used, bad play calling, predictable play calling, not using timeouts, using timeouts at wrong times, not going for 2 when you should. Yes exact same issues from 2015 makes same calls not learning from his mistakes.

So Currie looks at the program under Jones. All of these mistakes Butch continues to make are there on tape. Everyone knows you can't hide from your tape.

So after seeing the tape (Currie has not been here to watch first hand the level of incompetence from Butch Jones) He decides he wants to give Butch Jones an extension!!! For what reason after reviewing Butch Jones tape?? So with that head scratching decision to give him an extension as a new AD, who everyone was waiting on to get here to do one thing.... FIRE BUTCH JONES and bring in "his" guy. Then as AD John Currie has to go to the boosters and talk them into an extension for Butch Jones.
Now here we are just a few months later. And he is needing to talk them into firing, just a few months after talking them into extension.
Very concerning on a couple levels. One that would cause major problems with trust in Currie with the boosters.

And most concerning for us as fans. He saw the tape on Butch Jones and offered and EXTENSION to him this year. I don't have absolute faith in John Currie to even hire the right guy based on this. Hopeful it's taken out of his hands, with a search committee or someone else do it for him. Either way this likely scenario could explain what's going on right now with the lack of action at Tennessee.

Hopefully Tennessee makes the right moves here but based on actions from John Currie. I am worrried about the direction, and the decision making from the AD office once again.
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Lack of information released to the public does not indicate lack of action.
 
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LWSVOL said:
Currie can do nothing in this situation on his own.. those boosters would be involved with him on any decision.
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Man I wish Freak could take your one sentence response and sticky it. I kept repeating this over and over and was told numerous times I was full of it.
 
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I've resigned myself to the fact that Butch is here forever. He is never leaving, he is never getting fired and the fire against him burns itself out. The only positive is that I'm wrong A LOT, so there's that...
 
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I'll tell you the reason why he wasn't fired yet. This is Currie's first year on the job, hell first six months. He doesn't want to seem as the athletic director as a guy who makes decisions based on emotion. Lsu had a athletic director do that, and they are in a bigger mess than us. They had to hire a guy that was at best 5th on there list of potential coaches. You fire a guy halfway through the year you send a message to any other potential coaches that you will make fast and hasty decisions. I'm a firm believer that butch won't be here next year anyway. We are more than likely not winning out with Bama being as much as a sure thing that there is in sports. Even if we win the rest besides bama I think he is gone. If he loses to a back to back in the next two weeks he is gone. He loses to a Vandy of Ky he is gone. We could potentially see him gone before the end of the season but I'm more willing to bet it's after.
 
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dyllisvol42 said:
I'll tell you the reason why he wasn't fired yet. This is Currie's first year on the job, hell first six months. He doesn't want to seem as the athletic director as a guy who makes decisions based on emotion. Lsu had a athletic director do that, and they are in a bigger mess than us. They had to hire a guy that was at best 5th on there list of potential coaches. You fire a guy halfway through the year you send a message to any other potential coaches that you will make fast and hasty decisions. I'm a firm believer that butch won't be here next year anyway. We are more than likely not winning out with Bama being as much as a sure thing that there is in sports. Even if we win the rest besides bama I think he is gone. If he loses to a back to back in the next two weeks he is gone. He loses to a Vandy of Ky he is gone. We could potentially see him gone before the end of the season but I'm more willing to bet it's after.
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I’m pretty confident Currie has planned to replace Butch since he took the job.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Well, you're arguing that Currie shouldn't be allowed to wait for Butch's remaining losses to actually occur.
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Have you watched the team this season? We're arguably playing like the worst team in the SEC. Only Mizzou and LSU have looked worse in recent weeks, and that's all based on opinion. The losses are coming.
 
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dyllisvol42 said:
I'll tell you the reason why he wasn't fired yet. This is Currie's first year on the job, hell first six months. He doesn't want to seem as the athletic director as a guy who makes decisions based on emotion. Lsu had a athletic director do that, and they are in a bigger mess than us. They had to hire a guy that was at best 5th on there list of potential coaches. You fire a guy halfway through the year you send a message to any other potential coaches that you will make fast and hasty decisions. I'm a firm believer that butch won't be here next year anyway. We are more than likely not winning out with Bama being as much as a sure thing that there is in sports. Even if we win the rest besides bama I think he is gone. If he loses to a back to back in the next two weeks he is gone. He loses to a Vandy of Ky he is gone. We could potentially see him gone before the end of the season but I'm more willing to bet it's after.
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Lol. He's already fired two coaches. We've already sent a message to any and all coaches that we'll let you have five years of underachievement, a MASSIVE salary relative to most people in the world, and a buyout that you can live on for the rest of your life. Why not send a message that we don't want some coach who just wants to come here and coast to a big payday? What's wrong with sending that message to an employee?
 
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dyllisvol42 said:
I'll tell you the reason why he wasn't fired yet. This is Currie's first year on the job, hell first six months. He doesn't want to seem as the athletic director as a guy who makes decisions based on emotion. Lsu had a athletic director do that, and they are in a bigger mess than us. They had to hire a guy that was at best 5th on there list of potential coaches. You fire a guy halfway through the year you send a message to any other potential coaches that you will make fast and hasty decisions. I'm a firm believer that butch won't be here next year anyway. We are more than likely not winning out with Bama being as much as a sure thing that there is in sports. Even if we win the rest besides bama I think he is gone. If he loses to a back to back in the next two weeks he is gone. He loses to a Vandy of Ky he is gone. We could potentially see him gone before the end of the season but I'm more willing to bet it's after.
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Whether Butch is fired tomorrow or at the end of the season, that doesn't say anything about Currie making decisions based off emotion. It shows his preferred coach search process, but that's about it.
 
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WilliamDuVOL said:
Lol. He's already fired two coaches. We've already sent a message to any and all coaches that we'll let you have five years of underachievement, a MASSIVE salary relative to most people in the world, and a buyout that you can live on for the rest of your life. Why not send a message that we don't want some coach who just wants to come here and coast to a big payday? What's wrong with sending that message to an employee?
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Because you could hurt their feelings
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
A part of me inside thinks Currie won't screw this hire up.

He needs to make a good first impression for the fans if he truly cares about UT Athletics.

If Currie makes a splash hire, imagine the energy & excitement that would bring back to the program? That's what this fanbase needs is an extra spark.

The boosters need to do their part as well and pony up the cash.
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Butch is still here. :bottom:
 
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Friends, let's not forget that Butch's buyout is north of $9 million. We paid Coach Fulmer $6 million and we paid Dooley $6 million to leave.

Butch is not going anywhere if we are 7-5 or better and KY and Vandy are two of those seven wins. If we lose to Vandy in Neyland, all bets are off and we may pay the $9 million.

However, don't be surprised if Currie takes a different strategy: let Butch stay, without a contract extension, and let him get recruited away, which (I think) obviates/negates the $9 million buyout. Currie could take the fan abuse and mediocrity for the next two years and let Butch's contract expire and we owe him nothing or Butch could take another job before that and we owe him nothing.

Jimmy Sexton is no fool and I'm sure he's angling for a contract extension, which is his job. Currie's job is to manage winning athletic programs at UT. Sexton will float Butch's name in the media as a candidate for other jobs just to try to increase their negotiating leverage.

Right now, it would be stupid to fire Butch Jones...it would be dereliction of duty for Currie. If we go 6-6, Currie might still keep Butch around and hope that he gets recruited away...a cost-free exit.
 
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DenmarkVol said:
Friends, let's not forget that Butch's buyout is north of $9 million. We paid Coach Fulmer $6 million and we paid Dooley $6 million to leave.

Butch is not going anywhere if we are 7-5 or better and KY and Vandy are two of those seven wins. If we lose to Vandy in Neyland, all bets are off and we may pay the $9 million.

However, don't be surprised if Currie takes a different strategy: let Butch stay, without a contract extension, and let him get recruited away, which (I think) obviates/negates the $9 million buyout. Currie could take the fan abuse and mediocrity for the next two years and let Butch's contract expire and we owe him nothing or Butch could take another job before that and we owe him nothing.

Jimmy Sexton is no fool and I'm sure he's angling for a contract extension, which is his job. Currie's job is to manage winning athletic programs at UT. Sexton will float Butch's name in the media as a candidate for other jobs just to try to increase their negotiating leverage.

Right now, it would be stupid to fire Butch Jones...it would be dereliction of duty for Currie. If we go 6-6, Currie might still keep Butch around and hope that he gets recruited away...a cost-free exit.
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I doubt you'll see a scenario where an AD offers his coach to other schools.

He'll either back him or fire him.

Why would Butch let himself be (publicly)recruited away and lose money for a job that will pay him most likely substantially less than what he'd get by staying at UT until he's fired?
 
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DenmarkVol said:
Friends, let's not forget that Butch's buyout is north of $9 million. We paid Coach Fulmer $6 million and we paid Dooley $6 million to leave.

Butch is not going anywhere if we are 7-5 or better and KY and Vandy are two of those seven wins. If we lose to Vandy in Neyland, all bets are off and we may pay the $9 million.

However, don't be surprised if Currie takes a different strategy: let Butch stay, without a contract extension, and let him get recruited away, which (I think) obviates/negates the $9 million buyout. Currie could take the fan abuse and mediocrity for the next two years and let Butch's contract expire and we owe him nothing or Butch could take another job before that and we owe him nothing.

Jimmy Sexton is no fool and I'm sure he's angling for a contract extension, which is his job. Currie's job is to manage winning athletic programs at UT. Sexton will float Butch's name in the media as a candidate for other jobs just to try to increase their negotiating leverage.

Right now, it would be stupid to fire Butch Jones...it would be dereliction of duty for Currie. If we go 6-6, Currie might still keep Butch around and hope that he gets recruited away...a cost-free exit.
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That went on early. I imagine that is cooled if not completely stopped. Sexton is in a holding pattern at this point. He didn't have much leverage then, and has none today.

His next job appears to be negotiating the buyout and finding his client another gig.

Jones won't be here through his current contract just to save some buyout money. He would leave a similar roster to Dooley if that happened.
 
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Fact Currie never offered Butch an extension last year, hence Butch's supposed looking around stuff. Butch was not happy not being offered an extension and fired his agent and hired Sexton.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I think Butch can salvage his job if he wins every game left that isn't Alabama. That would be 8 and 4 then some bowl game. I think another loss to anyone else on the schedule except Bama will be the end of Butch. So expect a lot of winning from here on in or goodbye Butch.
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We are 3-2 right now. Win all rest of games except Alabama and he would be 9-3 + bowl game with chance to win 10 games.

He does that, he is still here....my bet is a 5-7 or 6-6 season and he be gone.
 
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vols1707 said:
Here is something that I am concerned with the non-action being a deeper issue. The worst thing for Tennessee right now is not firing a coach that's incompetent at his job and now being shot full of holes in every word he speaks by the national media.
This is damaging the Tennessee brand and Turing the university into a laughing stock of college football because of one man Butch Jones. What could be a possible reason for the non-action from John Currie? The reason to let one coach damage your brand and not take action that makes the most sense is scary for a bigger picture for Tennessee.
Butch wanted to get an extension as soon as Currie was hired. Currie didn't do it said he wanted to take a look at things and then make a decision. So...
1. What did Currie see that made him have confidence in Butch Jones? (Looking back from 2015 Butch Jones blew game, after game with bad coaching decisions) players were in positions to win games then lost with bad timeouts, not calling a timeout, 3&outs with no run plays with leads in games. Going for 2, not going for 2. You name it Butch Jones made the mistake. And the biggest concern in 2015 season is he never learned from those mistakes. Had double digit leads in 4th quarter of every game.
2. Move on to the 2016 season. Early season despite games Tennessee should have won by 2-3 touchdowns based on talent. Players were missused, not used, bad play calling, predictable play calling, not using timeouts, using timeouts at wrong times, not going for 2 when you should. Yes exact same issues from 2015 makes same calls not learning from his mistakes.

So Currie looks at the program under Jones. All of these mistakes Butch continues to make are there on tape. Everyone knows you can't hide from your tape.

So after seeing the tape (Currie has not been here to watch first hand the level of incompetence from Butch Jones) He decides he wants to give Butch Jones an extension!!! For what reason after reviewing Butch Jones tape?? So with that head scratching decision to give him an extension as a new AD, who everyone was waiting on to get here to do one thing.... FIRE BUTCH JONES and bring in "his" guy. Then as AD John Currie has to go to the boosters and talk them into an extension for Butch Jones.
Now here we are just a few months later. And he is needing to talk them into firing, just a few months after talking them into extension.
Very concerning on a couple levels. One that would cause major problems with trust in Currie with the boosters.

And most concerning for us as fans. He saw the tape on Butch Jones and offered and EXTENSION to him this year. I don't have absolute faith in John Currie to even hire the right guy based on this. Hopeful it's taken out of his hands, with a search committee or someone else do it for him. Either way this likely scenario could explain what's going on right now with the lack of action at Tennessee.

Hopefully Tennessee makes the right moves here but based on actions from John Currie. I am worrried about the direction, and the decision making from the AD office once again.
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No, let him make a few hires before you write Currie off. It's possible isn't as desirable a place as us fans think it is but big money talks. We will see just how willing UT is to shell out big money when and if that day comes.
 
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