Criticism of trump over Puerto Rico.

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'Trump gonna Trump' doesn't give him a ****ing pass. It's disgusting.

On top of that, Grand, to say that PR just 'happens to have a US flag over it' is one of the more disingenuous sentiments I've ever seen you express on here. Out of respect for you, I actually refuse to think you actually feel that way.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I like how that video cuts off right when any commentary as to why that is the case begins.

I'm not buying that it's just sitting there and people are dying to support a narrative.
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Check out his Twitter feed. Far more videos.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Check out his Twitter feed. Far more videos.
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I had actually read about the supplies in the port from other sources, but I've also read about the communication and logistical nightmares they are facing over there.

For certain parts of PR, those containers may as well be in Egypt.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Which should beg the question of why she is bashing the federal response when supplies are sitting at her ports waiting to be distributed.

Let's get real, Dink. You and I both know Trump is gonna Trump. But in this case? He very well could be right.
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I actually posted exactly that (moving supplies would be a problem) and I had no information on PR. Just because you have the supplies sitting on a ship or the dock really doesn't mean much, I would imagine a good portion of the government workers ditch town or are just looking out for themselves.

They are lucky to have all those supplies, but that is just a short term remedy. Long term this is a grind -- many months, if its that bad probably many years.

Freaking back seat drivers on this subject are not helping. That mayor is just trying to see what can done but its not really anyone's fault -- that's life. She needs to tell those people they need to figure out some solutions and stop blaming people.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I actually posted exactly that (moving supplies would be a problem) and I had no information on PR. Just because you have the supplies sitting on a ship or the dock really doesn't mean much, I would imagine a good portion of the government workers ditch town or are just looking out for themselves.

They are lucky to have all those supplies, but that is just a short term remedy. Long term this is a grind -- many months, if its that bad probably many years.
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100% agree.

There you go.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
'Trump gonna Trump' doesn't give him a ****ing pass. It's disgusting.

On top of that, Grand, to say that PR just 'happens to have a US flag over it' is one of the more disingenuous sentiments I've ever seen you express on here. Out of respect for you, I actually refuse to think you actually feel that way.
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Don't cherry pick selected words out of my post. I said:

"PR is a third world country the US flag happens to be flying over."

And this statement is inaccurate? My best friend is from PR and a lot of his family is still there. He visits somewhat frequently. Years ago, he made this same comment.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Don't cherry pick selected words out of my post. I said:

"PR is a third world country the US flag happens to be flying over."

And this statement is inaccurate? My best friend is from PR and a lot of his family is still there. He visits somewhat frequently. Years ago, he made this same comment.
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I have a cousin there and it's all about where you are. There are much worse places in the Americas; in the US. I was actually planning a trip there prior to the hurricanes.
 
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Pretty sure not many people here have been to PR.

PR outside of the tourist areas, much like Mexico, is a sh!!hole third world country.
 
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golfballs said:
I've always felt let that the ultimate responsibility falls with the people that live in these places. People just throw up their hands and want federal dollars. You live in Puerto Rico, Florida, etc. The risk of hurricanes is real. It's not a "black swan" event. So prepare for them and deal with them. The fed govt supplements when they fall short and clearly in the case of PR that is happening big time. Not a time to try and score cheap political shots
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I was stationed on Okinawa for a couple of uears - and a couple of significant typhoons. Almost all buildings and houses there were concrete - most with flat concrete roofs. I saw a CalTex concrete sign broken and hanging by rebar once, but the place survived quite well in excess of what PR saw.

The point is that you build to accommodate the weather - concrete buildings well above sea level, or you look like PR. If you don't have the infrastructure to get storm relief through and remaining shelter, then life's going to be tough regardless of how much and how quickly relief supplies are delivered to the island.

It gets hot in the Caribbean, and it will stay hot in the remaining shelters without electric power. Gas isn't going to pump itself out of the ground without electric power. Power lines above ground don't do well in hurricanes. It doesn't take genius to figure out a lot of these things, and you can't negligently build and live tropical paradise style when you live in Hurricane or Typhoon or Tornado Alley.
 
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AM64 said:
I was stationed on Okinawa for a couple of uears - and a couple of significant typhoons. Almost all buildings and houses there were concrete - most with flat concrete roofs. I saw a CalTex concrete sign broken and hanging by rebar once, but the place survived quite well in excess of what PR saw.

The point is that you build to accommodate the weather - concrete buildings well above sea level, or you look like PR. If you don't have the infrastructure to get storm relief through and remaining shelter, then life's going to be tough regardless of how much and how quickly relief supplies are delivered to the island.

It gets hot in the Caribbean, and it will stay hot in the remaining shelters without electric power. Gas isn't going to pump itself out of the ground without electric power. Power lines above ground don't do well in hurricanes. It doesn't take genius to figure out a lot of these things, and you can't negligently build and live tropical paradise style when you live in Hurricane or Typhoon or Tornado Alley.
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They build their shacks out of wood and on slopes of mountains aka prone to land slides..
 
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lawgator1 said:
In my opinion, it is ludicrous. Just As Trump has no particular control over the federal response to Texas or Florida, neither does he have particular control over the response to Puerto Rico. From what I understand, the problem isn't that the federal government is not sending massive supplies and Aid, it is that the island is so devastated, that there is no structure in place to distribute the materials. I just don't see how the federal government can do a whole lot about that, at least not nearly as much as the people who criticize Trump would say.
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Good post, but one thing. While we have one group of Latins that are American citizens that are living through a Mad Max ordeal, we have another group of Latins that are illegal aliens who fighting to get their own slice of the pie (DACA).

Don't you think that maybe America needs to take care of Americans first?
 
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San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulin Cruz, who attacked President Donald Trump for his response to last week’s hurricane in Puerto Rico, previously praised FALN terrorist leader Oscar Lopez Rivera.

Yulin Cruz is a member of Puerto Rico’s Popular Democratic Party that wants the island to remain a U.S. territory. But she sounded more like a member of the island’s Independence Party in a video that surfaced back in January when President Barack Obama commuted the sentence of Rivera Lopez.

The mayor is shown praising the convicted Puerto Rican terrorist in the video below.

“Hello, San Juan. Freedom forOscar Lopez Rivera.. soon he will be with us. We have to thank every Puerto Rican man and woman, who for a long time, many of us didn’t know Oscar Lopez Rivera. He was fighting the fight,” she said.

“We’re going to give you more details when we welcome this great Puerto Rican patriot in a cause that unites us and to know that, in spite of our differences, we can do big things in this country,” she continued.

Yulin Cruz added, “This great celebration is going to be in the streets and it is going to be extraordinarily large. So do come by starting Thursday to celebrate what our hearts scream for. Thanks, President Obama. Long live Oscar Lopez Rivera.”

Lopez Rivera was sentenced to 35 years in prison for his involvement in the FALN, a Puerto Rican separatist group that was responsible for more than 100 bombings in the U.S. during the 1970s and 1980s.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/30/san-juan-mayor-praised-convicted-faln-terrorist/
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Good post, but one thing. While we have one group of Latins that are American citizens that are living through a Mad Max ordeal, we have another group of Latins that are illegal aliens who fighting to get their own slice of the pie (DACA).

Don't you think that maybe America needs to take care of
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Take care of...?

Tennessee's coaching search?

Making it against the law for Saban to coach at a D1 level?

Sharks to keep them from getting molested by D1 coaches?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I had actually read about the supplies in the port from other sources, but I've also read about the communication and logistical nightmares they are facing over there.

For certain parts of PR, those containers may as well be in Egypt.
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This is exactly right.

People today do not know how to deal with disaster. They think you click some things on a computer and supplies just show up. They can’t comprehend most every road and bridge being washed out or covered in trees and downed power lines. They don’t understand the physical part of logistics, because they don’t ever consider it. You go to Walmart and things are there. You go to the corner gas station and it has all the gas you could want. And they have little to no idea how to be self sufficient.

This is a first world problem. If you’re stuck with no supplies and it’s a shock to you, congrats you live in a great part of the world.
 
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It's an island. If a disaster strikes, you're isolated and getting supplies to you takes time. It's worse than being on the mainland in a city built below sea level.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
This is exactly right.

People today do not know how to deal with disaster. They think you click some things on a computer and supplies just show up. They can’t comprehend most every road and bridge being washed out or covered in trees and downed power lines. They don’t understand the physical part of logistics, because they don’t ever consider it. You go to Walmart and things are there. You go to the corner gas station and it has all the gas you could want. And they have little to no idea how to be self sufficient.

This is a first world problem. If you’re stuck with no supplies and it’s a shock to you, congrats you live in a great part of the world.
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:good!: I wish I could give you 10 likes for this post.
 
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