Dan Mullen thread (merged)

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Grand Vol said:
Is name calling when you have nothing else to add and get owned in what could have been a reasonable discussion.



And yet, he has not taken any of them.

Why?
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First off, truth hurts. It's not name calling when it is true.

Secondly, he turned down interviews at every school except Miami. Those schools he turned down interviews include Penn State, Florida two times, Oregon, and Michigan.

Definitely sounds like a loser to me. What would those schools want with a coach like Mullen?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Actually, you implied LA was comparable to Starkville. I did not. I just said USC was in the bad part of town.
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Once again, you lie. Not shocked though. Crazy, insane people tend to do that.



Grand Vol said:
4. BS. Local location is the absolute worst excuse you can ever make. Period.



And you do realize Mullen can go outside the State of Mississippi to recruit, right?
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In your post, you said location doesn't matter when pitching recruits. You also said that Mullen can recruit out of state. No **** Sherlock. However, when you go out and recruit kids and give them the choice of Starkville or LA, 99% of them will pick LA.

That is basically saying Starkville is the same as Los Angeles......

Care to lie about something else?
 
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everything is relative. it's not an apple to apple comparison. the circumstances and situation MSU faces are different than what UT faces. so are resources, recruiting, and maybe most importantly, the division they reside in currently.

what Mullen has done at MSU has had MSU fans very happy. cause it's relative to what MSU has been.

put him in the East, it's not irrational to think he could make TN fans happy here.

and that's not to say he'd be my first choice. but worth a call and interview if it were to come to that? yeah, certainly.

i also saw where someone said something about why he hasn't taken another job? i think that's fairly simple...he doesn't have to. he does have a good situation down there, and there's no reason to leave it unless it's for a better one.

basically, there's nothing to run away from down there. he'd be looking to run TO something.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
You're honestly saying Starkville and Los Angeles are equal when recruiting location?

You are officially the biggest idiot on this site. Just when I think you can't say anything dumber, you say something dumber.

In your world, Mississippi State turned down every big name coach and settled for Mullen. You are the biggest F***ing tool.
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So salty
 
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jakez4ut said:
everything is relative. it's not an apple to apple comparison. the circumstances and situation MSU faces are different than what UT faces. so are resources, recruiting, and maybe most importantly, the division they reside in currently.

what Mullen has done at MSU has had MSU fans very happy. cause it's relative to what MSU has been.

put him in the East, it's not irrational to think he could make TN fans happy here.

and that's not to say he'd be my first choice. but worth a call and interview if it were to come to that? yeah, certainly.

i also saw where someone said something about why he hasn't taken another job? i think that's fairly simple...he doesn't have to. he does have a good situation down there, and there's no reason to leave it unless it's for a better one.

basically, there's nothing to run away from down there. he'd be looking to run TO something.
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See JMS, this is how you have a reasonable discussion.
 
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Booker512 said:
Go nail a nail into a block of wood.

Then go nail a nail into a block of concrete.

Come back and tell us how hard it was to do to each thing.


Then apply that to Butch vs Mullen.

Butch has been driving nails into wood.
Mullen has been driving nails into concrete.

Context is a mother******
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I'm not a fan of either but this analogy is perfect
 
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jakez4ut said:
everything is relative. it's not an apple to apple comparison. the circumstances and situation MSU faces are different than what UT faces. so are resources, recruiting, and maybe most importantly, the division they reside in currently.

what Mullen has done at MSU has had MSU fans very happy. cause it's relative to what MSU has been.

put him in the East, it's not irrational to think he could make TN fans happy here.

and that's not to say he'd be my first choice. but worth a call and interview if it were to come to that? yeah, certainly.

i also saw where someone said something about why he hasn't taken another job? i think that's fairly simple...he doesn't have to. he does have a good situation down there, and there's no reason to leave it unless it's for a better one.

basically, there's nothing to run away from down there. he'd be looking to run TO something.
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I can agree with most of this. Though I'm not sure UT fans would be entirely happy depending on circumstances. If he continued the trend of 7-5/8-4 with the occasional 10-2 record tossed in, I'm not sure anyone would be happy.

Competing for the East every year, yeah, we could be happy.
 
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fade route said:
Mullen is told to win with 3* talent in the toughest division in football.
Butch is told to win with 4* (with some 5s) in a weaker division
They have similar records. Who did the better job? Most 6 year olds can get this.
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Who went out and got that talent at each school?

Most 6 year olds can get this.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I can agree with most of this. Though I'm not sure UT fans would be entirely happy depending on circumstances. If he continued the trend of 7-5/8-4 with the occasional 10-2 record tossed in, I'm not sure anyone would be happy.

Competing for the East every year, yeah, we could be happy.
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well, it's not a this=that equation, but relatively speaking, with MSU playing in the West, when Auburn, Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, aTm, have all been good to really good, 7 or 8 wins a year in Starkville could be considered the same as 10 wins at TN when FL, GA, TN have all been mediocre to bad, even with vandy, ky and usce being better than normal, could be considered the same thing.

the path is easier is all i'm getting at, and over the last 4 years (all other things remaining equal), it's my opinion that there are games we may have won, that we saw CBJ lose.

there's no way to know one way or the other of course, and really,i hate even using that as a debatable point. cause you can say "no he wouldn't", and the debate is basically over....lol.

and 5 years ago, Dan Mullen's name didn't have the same ring to it, it does now.

and what ive seen him do with the talent levels and schedule he plays vs. what weve done with the talent levels and schedule we play.........well, i don't think it'd be worse.:thumbsup:

edit: i don't want it come off like i'm wanting Dan Mullen. i don't...necessarily...but i do think you can make a good case for him, and he's not someone you just shrug off as "MSU leftovers, don't want".
 
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JMSqb11 said:
And secondly, no one is name calling. It is not name calling when its true. ... The fact that you are utterly insane is a fact. Truth hurts. Get over it buttercup

You sir, in the most respectable way I know how, are a complete insane person who literally has the football IQ/Knowledge of a 2 year old.
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Nah, no name calling here. None at all. Nope.


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jakez4ut said:
well, it's not a this=that equation, but relatively speaking, with MSU playing in the West, when Auburn, Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, aTm, have all been good to really good, 7 or 8 wins a year in Starkville could be considered the same as 10 wins at TN when FL, GA, TN have all been mediocre to bad, even with vandy, ky and usce being better than normal, could be considered the same thing.

the path is easier is all i'm getting at, and over the last 4 years (all other things remaining equal), it's my opinion that there are games we may have won, that we saw CBJ lose.

there's no way to know one way or the other of course, and really,i hate even using that as a debatable point. cause you can say "no he wouldn't", and the debate is basically over....lol.

and 5 years ago, Dan Mullen's name didn't have the same ring to it, it does now.

and what ive seen him do with the talent levels and schedule he plays vs. what weve done with the talent levels and schedule we play.........well, i don't think it'd be worse.:thumbsup:

edit: i don't want it come off like i'm wanting Dan Mullen. i don't...necessarily...but i do think you can make a good case for him, and he's not someone you just shrug off as "MSU leftovers, don't want".
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Semi agree. On mobile right now, but I'll reply when I get home.
 
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jakez4ut said:
well, it's not a this=that equation, but relatively speaking, with MSU playing in the West, when Auburn, Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, aTm, have all been good to really good, 7 or 8 wins a year in Starkville could be considered the same as 10 wins at TN when FL, GA, TN have all been mediocre to bad, even with vandy, ky and usce being better than normal, could be considered the same thing.
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I don't disagree, but I don't agree. Will outline below.

jakez4ut said:
the path is easier is all i'm getting at, and over the last 4 years (all other things remaining equal), it's my opinion that there are games we may have won, that we saw CBJ lose.

there's no way to know one way or the other of course, and really,i hate even using that as a debatable point. cause you can say "no he wouldn't", and the debate is basically over....lol.
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Hindsight being 20/20, you are correct. And I agree there were plenty of games where nutless Lyle botched it up bigly. My biggest was the ATM game last year (until UF last week). There I was in the middle of the field post game at Okie State screaming "Give Kamara the ball and run it up their backsides!"

Anyway, there were plenty of games mismanaged from the coaching perspective and we can what if, but at the end of the day, we have the ability to say "dude, you screwed up by not zigging when you were zagging."


jakez4ut said:
and what ive seen him do with the talent levels and schedule he plays vs. what weve done with the talent levels and schedule we play.........well, i don't think it'd be worse.:thumbsup:

edit: i don't want it come off like i'm wanting Dan Mullen. i don't...necessarily...but i do think you can make a good case for him, and he's not someone you just shrug off as "MSU leftovers, don't want".
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Here's the thing about Mullen. He does coach above his talent levels. He does develop talent. He very well could take Tennessee, this team in particular, and go to Atlanta or beyond. But...

My concerns is he's sitting in Starkville getting a 7-5, 8-4 record, beating Ole Miss every once in a while for the Egg Bowl trophy and the fans, boosters and AD are happy with that. Considering where they came from and what he inherited, I can't say I blame them. But I get this feeling he's capable of way more than he does. He's not lazy...comfortable maybe? Content? He doesn't have to excel because he's not expected to excel. And I wonder if he turned down those other jobs and interviews because he would have been expected to excel. Right now, he's making roughly $4.5 million a year, again, going 7-5/8-4 and nobody says a word. Now...

Introduce a fan base like Tennessee, Michigan or Florida into the mix. They aren't content with 7-5 when they know the coach is capable of so much more. And recruiting? Let's be honest here, I'm not buying the "Miss State doesn't have a legacy or facilities or Starkville is a dump" train of thought. He's in the position to build a legacy and make them a powerhouse. He could have turned that 10-3 season into a monster recruiting year (he finished 18th per 247) but still had Ole Miss, LSU and ATM finish higher in the final recruiting standings. I'll give CBJ credit for being relentless on the recruiting trail. He's brought great talent to UT. Developing said talent is another discussion entirely, but he's bringing in the stars. Mullen doesn't seem to do that. By design? Don't know.

If facilities are in need up upgrade or renovation, it's the coach's job to make that known to the AD and slap hands with boosters to help make it happen. Coaches have left colleges for less. As for Starkville being a dump...it's a college town. I'd assume there is some form of nightlife and they aren't just cruising around McDonalds and cow tipping on a Saturday night.

I just wonder if, hypothetical here, he's content to sit at Moo State because he knows he doesn't have to achieve anything higher than he's getting at the moment. That perhaps he knows this and doesn't feel the need to take on pressure at another program that expects to win and compete in Atlanta or at Lucas Oil Stadium every year. I'm kind of like you, why bring that kind of pain on himself when he's making real good money not to?
 
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Volstylexx said:
I’ve thought about it for more than a second... if you apply the standards of gauging success that we apply to Butch- he’s accomplished nothing at MSU. Nothing.

Better division? Sure. But tying for he’s finished in 5th place 5 times. 5!
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Plus Mullen lost to south alabama
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Grand Vol said:
I don't disagree, but I don't agree. Will outline below.



Hindsight being 20/20, you are correct. And I agree there were plenty of games where nutless Lyle botched it up bigly. My biggest was the ATM game last year (until UF last week). There I was in the middle of the field post game at Okie State screaming "Give Kamara the ball and run it up their backsides!"

Anyway, there were plenty of games mismanaged from the coaching perspective and we can what if, but at the end of the day, we have the ability to say "dude, you screwed up by not zigging when you were zagging."




Here's the thing about Mullen. He does coach above his talent levels. He does develop talent. He very well could take Tennessee, this team in particular, and go to Atlanta or beyond. But...

My concerns is he's sitting in Starkville getting a 7-5, 8-4 record, beating Ole Miss every once in a while for the Egg Bowl trophy and the fans, boosters and AD are happy with that. Considering where they came from and what he inherited, I can't say I blame them. But I get this feeling he's capable of way more than he does. He's not lazy...comfortable maybe? Content? He doesn't have to excel because he's not expected to excel. And I wonder if he turned down those other jobs and interviews because he would have been expected to excel. Right now, he's making roughly $4.5 million a year, again, going 7-5/8-4 and nobody says a word. Now...

Introduce a fan base like Tennessee, Michigan or Florida into the mix. They aren't content with 7-5 when they know the coach is capable of so much more. And recruiting? Let's be honest here, I'm not buying the "Miss State doesn't have a legacy or facilities or Starkville is a dump" train of thought. He's in the position to build a legacy and make them a powerhouse. He could have turned that 10-3 season into a monster recruiting year (he finished 18th per 247) but still had Ole Miss, LSU and ATM finish higher in the final recruiting standings. I'll give CBJ credit for being relentless on the recruiting trail. He's brought great talent to UT. Developing said talent is another discussion entirely, but he's bringing in the stars. Mullen doesn't seem to do that. By design? Don't know.

If facilities are in need up upgrade or renovation, it's the coach's job to make that known to the AD and slap hands with boosters to help make it happen. Coaches have left colleges for less. As for Starkville being a dump...it's a college town. I'd assume there is some form of nightlife and they aren't just cruising around McDonalds and cow tipping on a Saturday night.

I just wonder if, hypothetical here, he's content to sit at Moo State because he knows he doesn't have to achieve anything higher than he's getting at the moment. That perhaps he knows this and doesn't feel the need to take on pressure at another program that expects to win and compete in Atlanta or at Lucas Oil Stadium every year. I'm kind of like you, why bring that kind of pain on himself when he's making real good money not to?
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Its delving in to what may or may not be going on in his head as far as priorities and motivations... Which is to say it may not be fit... For either party.

Like I said... He has nothing to run from. And that may be enough to make him stay put.
 
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Volstylexx said:
Every volnation thread has “Hire Mullen”posts so I thought it would be interesting to take an objective look at Mullen:

Mullen is 6-21 against top 25 teams. He’s never beaten Bama and never won the sec West. In fact, in 8 seasons at MSU, he’s only finished greater than 2nd in the SEC West one time, every other season has been 4th or worse... in 8 seasons he’s only had above .500 record in SEC play 1 time.

His best season and only season to achieve 10 wins was 2013 when they went 10-3 and lost in the Orange Bowl. That was in year, wait for it..... 6 at MSU

Year 1 record - 5-7 (3-5 SEC)
Year 2 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 3- 7-6 (2-6 SEC)
Year 4- 8-5 (4-4 SEC)
Year 5- 7-6 (3-5 SEC)
Year 6- 10-3 (6-2 SEC)
Year 7 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 8 - 6-7 (3-5 SEC)

An objective look at his numbers suggests Mullen and Butch are cut from the same cloth. Average 8-4 consistent coaches.
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In not a fire Butch man, but Mullen's Bulldogs would've won the East at least twice, maybe three times
 
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LA vol7 said:
In not a fire Butch man, but Mullen's Bulldogs would've won the East at least twice, maybe three times
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I am close to being a fire Butch guy. I think I will definitely be by the time we are to November. You are right, Mullen wins 2-3 SEC East Titles minimum with the SEC East being down the last 5 years.

MSU's average recruiting for 5 years after Jackie Sherrill left was 48th. Mullen's average recruiting class has been 28th. If you give Mullen UT's talent the last five years, Mullen definitely takes us to the SEC Championship at least 3 years. We don't lose to Vandy, get owned by Muschamp, Florida, and the SEC West. Hell, he probably even upsets Bama once or twice as long as he brings in a talented QB to develop. Butch is a Pop Warner Coach compared to MULLEN!!!

The OP IS BEYOND DELUSIONAL!!!! I would probably take MULLEN over any coach out there besides Saban, Harbaugh, Dabo, Stoops, and maybe even, Meyer and Franklin AS LONG AS MULLEN HIRES A STAFF OF ELITE RECRUITERS. I would take MULLEN over Chip Kelly! He has been in the SEC for years and was the OC on two National Championship Teams. You give MULLEN top 10 recruiting classes every year with some elite QB'S and UT RULES THE SEC EAST and wins the SEC CHAMPIONSHIP three times every decade MINIMUM!!!
 
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