Dan Mullen thread (merged)

[Volfan76]

If I didn't know better, I'd think you were Dan Mullen's agent. Let's start with this big 70% SEC East winning percentage. Out of 19 SEC East games, 8 of them have been against KenSucky. 8 out of 19. Throw in two wins vs. Vandy and a Dooley led Tennessee team and there is no wonder he is at 70%.

I also love the fact that you want to cherrypick 2013 as to when we look at a winning record in the SEC. Let's cherry pick his 10 win season where he finished second in the SEC West (which, by the way, is the ONLY time that he hasn't been fourth or fifth in 8 years)

Dan's 10 win season included wins against a 3-9 powerhouse Southern Miss, a 6-6 UAB team, 6-7 South Alabama, 5-7 KenSucky, 6-6 UT Martin, and a 3-9 Vandy team. 6 out of 10 wins were .500 or below. Then add on a 7-6 Arkansas team, and three 8-5 teams (LSU, A&M, and Auburn). The losses were to a 12-2 Bama team, 9-4 Ole Miss, and to Georgia Tech in a bowl game.

And since we like to cherry pick around here, let's cherry pick some of his big wins in Starkville. Out of his career 64 wins, 39 have come at the expense of : Jackson State, MTSU, UK, Vandy, Memphis, Alcorn St., Houston, UAB, La. Tech, Tn Martin, Wake Forest, Southern Miss., Northwestern State, Troy, UMass, Samford, Miami of Ohio, Bowling Green, Rice, and Charleston Southern. 39 of his 64 wins. Right there.

Is he a decent coach? I'll give him that. But if Currie hired Mullen to replace Jones, he should be run out of town with Butch. 5 5th place finishes. 2 4th place finishes. 7 out of 8 seasons he has been 4th or worse. Those are the facts and they are undisputed.

This....The cupcakes that MS St schedules every year MORE than make up the discrepancies between the east and west in the SEC...not to mention that he lost to South Alabama last year. I don't think Butch is the answer here, but I sure don't think Dan Mullen is.

 

[JMSqb11]

I keep hearing excuses as to why Mullen doesn't recruit well. But you just can't seem to bring yourself to admit, well, he doesn't recruit well.



You keep saying "Tennessee recruits itself" like we are still reigning SEC champions and whatnot. Truth is, UT hasn't "sold itself" since before Fulmer was fired. One of his downfalls as a matter of fact. He expected recruits to come here out of state pride or because UT was a blue blood program. And it cost him his job.

Any SEC school, with the exception of Mizzou at the moment, has a brand name that can sell itself somewhat. But you have to have a coach that's selling that program whether it's in Starkville or Knoxville or Gainesville or wherever. And if the potential recruits aren't convinced that school is magical, the coach needs to sell them on it. Period. Add in the TV time/SEC Network, national exposure, facilities, heritage and NFL draft picks and you can sell a program.

Butch does it. Gus does it. Shark Humper does it. And if Stoops can do it at Kentucky, there is zero reason Mullen CAN'T do it.

Enough of the excuses. Give me the reasons why he can't sell Mississippi State...

First off, Mullen has recruited the better than any coach in program history. Since we are comparing his career at MSU, he has once again excelled well over program averages. In wins and recruiting, he's is the best in school history.

Once again, Tennessee, Auburn, Florida are way better programs than Miss. State. Are you honestly saying that Miss State is a job is as high profile as Tennessee, Auburn, and Florida? Those 3 are career dream jobs. No one dreams of Starkville.

Oh and you want reasons why you can't recruit top classes constantly in Starkville?

1-No immediate playing time due to amount of upperclassmen starters (AKA Mullen Developing players)
2-There is zero investment in training/practice facilities. (if you think that doesn't impact recruits, why does every school spend bookoo's of money on facilities?)
3-Easier to get to SEC title and National titles by going to Bama, Auburn, or going to the East to UGA, UF, UT, who also have the facilities.
4-Community. Starkville is a trash town. Even worse than Fayetteville in Arkansas. There is literally nothing to do in there.


Once again, tell me why you think Mississippi State is a top 10-15 program since you think they are so comparable to Tennessee, Florida, Auburn, and Georgia.....

Still haven't answered that question.

 

[JMSqb11]

This....The cupcakes that MS St schedules every year MORE than make up the discrepancies between the east and west in the SEC...not to mention that he lost to South Alabama last year. I don't think Butch is the answer here, but I sure don't think Dan Mullen is.

Butch lost to Vandy twice and Mullen is 2-0 vs them. I can cherry pick too if that is what we are doing.

 

[Dan Federman]

Dude he’s 7-1 vs UK. He’s also 2-0 vs Vandy. Butch lost to them 2 times in 4 years. Quit cherry picking.

Also, the talent gap between Miss State and UK is razor thin. However, the talent gap between Miss State and Tennessee is huge. Stevie Wonder can see that.

There wasn't a talent gap when Butch got here. Tennessee was pretty much bottom of the barrel talent wise. I 'm certainly disappointed in the way some of our games have turned out and feel like Butch is justifiably on the hot seat. What I don't understand is the constant bashing of the man. Let the season play out and lets support him and the team the rest of the way. Either way he's going to be our coach for the remainder of the season.

 

[BeardedVol]

I keep hearing excuses as to why Mullen doesn't recruit well. But you just can't seem to bring yourself to admit, well, he doesn't recruit well.



You keep saying "Tennessee recruits itself" like we are still reigning SEC champions and whatnot. Truth is, UT hasn't "sold itself" since before Fulmer was fired. One of his downfalls as a matter of fact. He expected recruits to come here out of state pride or because UT was a blue blood program. And it cost him his job.

Any SEC school, with the exception of Mizzou at the moment, has a brand name that can sell itself somewhat. But you have to have a coach that's selling that program whether it's in Starkville or Knoxville or Gainesville or wherever. And if the potential recruits aren't convinced that school is magical, the coach needs to sell them on it. Period. Add in the TV time/SEC Network, national exposure, facilities, heritage and NFL draft picks and you can sell a program.

Butch does it. Gus does it. Shark Humper does it. And if Stoops can do it at Kentucky, there is zero reason Mullen CAN'T do it.

Enough of the excuses. Give me the reasons why he can't sell Mississippi State...

Are you honestly proposing that recruiting across the SEC is at a base-level equal at all of the institutions, and only affected positively or negatively by the recruiting ability of the Head Coach?:crazy:

 

[fade route]

Making excuses for Butch's record = not ok
Making excuses for Mullen's record = ok

No, it's called context. They are 2 different jobs with different expectations and resources.

 

[fade route]

This....The cupcakes that MS St schedules every year MORE than make up the discrepancies between the east and west in the SEC...not to mention that he lost to South Alabama last year. I don't think Butch is the answer here, but I sure don't think Dan Mullen is.

If McElwain is fired and Mullen goes to UF, we will not win another game against them with Butch as our coach.

 

[kentucky sucks]

Excuses!

Truth

 

[VFL-82-JP]

No, it's called context. They are 2 different jobs with different expectations and resources.

Fade to English: Dan is supposed to suck at Miss State, therefore the fact that he doesn't means he's awesome. Butch is supposed to be awesome at Tennessee, therefore the fact that he isn't means he sucks. Therefore, we should trade one good but not great coach for another good but not great coach, because we gave one of them the "Awesome" sticker while we were giving the other the "You Suck" sticker. That is all.

Back to Fade. I mean, Fade to black.

 

[fade route]

A bit deeper record comparison over last 4 years.

Mullen vs East 6-2, West 10-14
Butch vs West 0-8, East 14-10

Mullen vs East teams played
2013 1-1 Butch against same teams 2-0, Ky, SC
2014 2-0 Butch against same teams 2-0, Ky, Vandy
2015 2-0 Butch against same teams 2-0, Ky, Mo
2016 1-1 Butch against same teams 1-1, Ky, SC
Record 6-2 vs 7-1

Mullen vs the 8 West teams that TN faced and the result during that year:
Ala 0-4, A&M Won, Ark Won, Ole Miss Lost, Aub Lost

Result, really not difference in the coaches based on records against common foes.

Again, stupid argument. They are working with 2 different rosters. Butch has 4-5* star talent spread out all over the field. Mullen did not.

 

[fade route]

Fade to English: Dan is supposed to suck at Miss State, therefore the fact that he doesn't means he's awesome. Butch is supposed to be awesome at Tennessee, therefore the fact that he isn't means he sucks. Therefore, we should trade one good but not great coach for another good but not great coach, because we gave one them the Awesome sticker while we were giving the other the You Suck sticker. That is all.

Back to Fade. I mean, Fade to black.

Mullen is told to win with 3* talent in the toughest division in football.
Butch is told to win with 4* (with some 5s) in a weaker division
They have similar records. Who did the better job? Most 6 year olds can get this.

 

[KBVol]

Well if Doug Mathews said it that changes things.

How about Tony "Mr College Football" Barnhart? Feel disparaging him too? Or just a former Tennessee coach and more loyal VFL than you can possibly conceive of, much less actually be?

 

[Grand Vol]

First off, Mullen has recruited the better than any coach in program history. Since we are comparing his career at MSU, he has once again excelled well over program averages. In wins and recruiting, he's is the best in school history.

Once again, Tennessee, Auburn, Florida are way better programs than Miss. State. Are you honestly saying that Miss State is a job is as high profile as Tennessee, Auburn, and Florida? Those 3 are career dream jobs. No one dreams of Starkville.

Oh and you want reasons why you can't recruit top classes constantly in Starkville?

1-No immediate playing time due to amount of upperclassmen starters (AKA Mullen Developing players)
2-There is zero investment in training/practice facilities. (if you think that doesn't impact recruits, why does every school spend bookoo's of money on facilities?)
3-Easier to get to SEC title and National titles by going to Bama, Auburn, or going to the East to UGA, UF, UT, who also have the facilities.
4-Community. Starkville is a trash town. Even worse than Fayetteville in Arkansas. There is literally nothing to do in there.


Once again, tell me why you think Mississippi State is a top 10-15 program since you think they are so comparable to Tennessee, Florida, Auburn, and Georgia.....

Still haven't answered that question.

You really shouldn't post until you've thought out everything clearly, edited it for grammar and spelling and then hit the send button.

Anyway...

Nice to have a direct answer for a change. Now, here we go...

1. Is BS. If Saban can recruit all kinds of 4 and 5 stars, develop them, get playing time as upper classmen and churn them out to the NFL, what's the reason Mullen cannot?

2. Zero investment in training/practice facilities. And shouldn't the head coach be badgering the AD and boosters for upgrades? Tell me Miss State doesn't have powerful boosters that can pony up that money. Your answer implicates Mullen as not giving a **** about facilities and just happy to collect his $4.5 million check per year.

3. BS. No road to the championship is easy unless your school happens to be Bama with Saban at the helm. Because eventually, you're going to face them one way or another.

4. BS. Local location is the absolute worst excuse you can ever make. Period. USC sits in the real bad part of Los Angeles. Like real bad part where people get shot right outside campus all the time. Doesn't seem to affect their recruiting.

Now, at current, Moo State isn't a top 15 program. And frankly, I'm not sure Tennessee is either despite my love for all things orange. However, there is no reason Mullen cannot turn it into a destination school.

None.

 

[JMSqb11]

You really shouldn't post until you've thought out everything clearly, edited it for grammar and spelling and then hit the send button.

Anyway...

Nice to have a direct answer for a change. Now, here we go...

1. Is BS. If Saban can recruit all kinds of 4 and 5 stars, develop them, get playing time as upper classmen and churn them out to the NFL, what's the reason Mullen cannot?

2. Zero investment in training/practice facilities. And shouldn't the head coach be badgering the AD and boosters for upgrades? Tell me Miss State doesn't have powerful boosters that can pony up that money. Your answer implicates Mullen as not giving a **** about facilities and just happy to collect his $4.5 million check per year.

3. BS. No road to the championship is easy unless your school happens to be Bama with Saban at the helm. Because eventually, you're going to face them one way or another.

4. BS. Local location is the absolute worst excuse you can ever make. Period. USC sits in the real bad part of Los Angeles. Like real bad part where people get shot right outside campus all the time. Doesn't seem to affect their recruiting.

Now, at current, Moo State isn't a top 15 program. And frankly, I'm not sure Tennessee is either despite my love for all things orange. However, there is no reason Mullen cannot turn it into a destination school.

None.

You're honestly saying Starkville and Los Angeles are equal when recruiting location?

You are officially the biggest idiot on this site. Just when I think you can't say anything dumber, you say something dumber.

In your world, Mississippi State turned down every big name coach and settled for Mullen. You are the biggest F***ing tool.

 

[ProudVOLfan]

Mullen is told to win with 3* talent in the toughest division in football.
Butch is told to win with 4* (with some 5s) in a weaker division
They have similar records. Who did the better job? Most 6 year olds can get this.

Exactly! With a difference being Mullens 3* players get coached up and improve.

 

[Behr]

You really shouldn't post until you've thought out everything clearly, edited it for grammar and spelling and then hit the send button.

Anyway...

Nice to have a direct answer for a change. Now, here we go...

1. Is BS. If Saban can recruit all kinds of 4 and 5 stars, develop them, get playing time as upper classmen and churn them out to the NFL, what's the reason Mullen cannot?

2. Zero investment in training/practice facilities. And shouldn't the head coach be badgering the AD and boosters for upgrades? Tell me Miss State doesn't have powerful boosters that can pony up that money. Your answer implicates Mullen as not giving a **** about facilities and just happy to collect his $4.5 million check per year.

3. BS. No road to the championship is easy unless your school happens to be Bama with Saban at the helm. Because eventually, you're going to face them one way or another.

4. BS. Local location is the absolute worst excuse you can ever make. Period. USC sits in the real bad part of Los Angeles. Like real bad part where people get shot right outside campus all the time. Doesn't seem to affect their recruiting.

Now, at current, Moo State isn't a top 15 program. And frankly, I'm not sure Tennessee is either despite my love for all things orange. However, there is no reason Mullen cannot turn it into a destination school.

None.

Yea, forget the argument of which coach is better than the other. This post, IMO, is absolutely correct.

 

[Grand Vol]

You're honestly saying Starkville and Los Angeles are equal when recruiting location?

You are officially the biggest idiot on this site. Just when I think you can't say anything dumber, you say something dumber.

In your world, Mississippi State turned down every big name coach and settled for Mullen. You are the biggest F***ing tool.

I'll take this as an opinion like your other posts have been and file it in the same spot.

 

[JMSqb11]

I'll take this as an opinion like your other posts have been and file it in the same spot.

No. You have a statistical trend of making outlandish things.

You are definitely insane.

 

[Grand Vol]

No. You have a statistical trend of making outlandish things.

You are definitely insane.

You realize the moment you resort to name calling, you've likely lost the argument?

And still can't explain why in eight years of Mullen being at Miss State he hasn't requested or begged for facility upgrades...

 

[JMSqb11]

You realize the moment you resort to name calling, you've likely lost the argument?

And still can't explain why in eight years of Mullen being at Miss State he hasn't requested or begged for facility upgrades...

State of the Art Facilities that compare to UT, Florida, Bama, USC take hundreds of millions of dollars.

Mississippi State doesn't have the donor base that can give hundreds of millions of dollars. Their big investment is their coach who is making 4.5 million per year. That is huge for Mississippi State because they don't have a lot of resources.

And secondly, no one is name calling. It is not name calling when its true. The definition of insanity is doing something, or in your case, saying something over and over again even though its not true, but claiming it as fact. The fact that you are utterly insane is a fact. Truth hurts. Get over it buttercup

You sir, in the most respectable way I know how, are a complete insane person who literally has the football IQ/Knowledge of a 2 year old. There is a reason Mullen is constantly gauged every offseason for a head coaching gig at a much bigger school than Starkville.

 

[Grand Vol]

You're honestly saying Starkville and Los Angeles are equal when recruiting location?

And you do realize Mullen can go outside the State of Mississippi to recruit, right?

You want to talk about what a craphole Starkville is. I'm saying there are plenty of colleges in craphole locations that aren't affected.

 

[Behr]

"I didn't call you the biggest F ing tool, buttercup, you're insane."

Haha.

 

[JMSqb11]

And you do realize Mullen can go outside the State of Mississippi to recruit, right?

You want to talk about what a craphole Starkville is. I'm saying there are plenty of colleges in craphole locations that aren't affected.

Yet none of the major top 15 programs are in crapholes. There is literally no top 15 program in a town that is comparable to Starkville.

And once again, you totally missed the point. But that is what retards do. Mullen has to recruit to Starkville the city just as USC, who you trashed, recruits to Los Angeles the city.

You said that Starkville is essentially the same as Los Angeles.

Once again, you're :loco:

 

[Grand Vol]

State of the Art Facilities that compare to UT, Florida, Bama, USC take hundreds of millions of dollars.

Mississippi State doesn't have the donor base that can give hundreds of millions of dollars. Their big investment is their coach who is making 4.5 million per year. That is huge for Mississippi State because they don't have a lot of resources.

And you know this for a fact?

Has anyone ever tried to collect funds for renovations/upgrades? Has Mullen even asked?

And secondly, no one is name calling. The definition of insanity is doing something, or in your case, saying something over and over again even though its not true, but claiming it as fact. The fact that you are utterly insane is a fact. Truth hurts. Get over it buttercup

Buttercup is name calling, though I find it rather cute. However...

You are officially the biggest idiot on this site.

You are the biggest F***ing tool.

Is name calling when you have nothing else to add and get owned in what could have been a reasonable discussion.

You sir, in the most respectable way I know how, are a complete insane person who literally has the football IQ/Knowledge of a 2 year old. There is a reason Mullen is constantly gauged every offseason for a head coaching gig at a much bigger school than Starkville.

And yet, he has not taken any of them.

Why?

 

[Grand Vol]

Yet none of the major top 15 programs are in crapholes. There is literally no top 15 program in a town that is comparable to Starkville.

And once again, you totally missed the point. But that is what retards do. Mullen has to recruit to Starkville the city just as USC, who you trashed, recruits to Los Angeles the city.

You said that Starkville is essentially the same as Los Angeles.

Once again, you're :loco:

Actually, you implied LA was comparable to Starkville. I did not. I just said USC was in the bad part of town.

Which it is.