Dan Mullen thread (merged)

#201
#201
Sarms58 said:
Interesting numbers but pointless...there is no scenario where Mullen leaves MSU for Tennessee...he and his family are plugged into the community and well supported - even when he loses games...his record after 4 years was about like Butch's but no one was calling for his head...it's just a much less toxic environment than Tennessee...
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He would be stupid to leave - he would required to beat Bama and any other team from the west that was on Tennessee's schedule. He would be required to beat the best from the east. First loss and he hears the same commentary that those that support him right now are sending CBJ's way.

Too many "IFS" and folks are assuming that he would dedicate the time and energy and have the same recruiting success that CBJ has had - just because it is Tennessee.

If just being "Tennessee" was enough - Fulmer would never have been let go.
 
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#202
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BJWeeks said:
If you can't tell the difference in coaching from Dan Mullen and Butch Jones then I feel sorry for you. Mullen is 100 times the better coach
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Their records are basically the same. Before y'all post the same chit at me I'll type it for you.


But but but he plays in the West.

But but but it's MSU.
 
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VolBricks said:
Why would we fire Butch to hire another 8-4 middle of the pack coach? If Currie does not have a top 5 coach lined up to come to TN with the contract terms laid out already, there is no reason for Butch to go.
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Well since Mullen is on everyone's top 3 coaches to interview/hire every year for the last 3, it would make sense to interview the guy.
 
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volfan102455 said:
He would be stupid to leave - he would required to beat Bama and any other team from the west that was on Tennessee's schedule. He would be required to beat the best from the east. First loss and he hears the same commentary that those that support him right now are sending CBJ's way.

Too many "IFS" and folks are assuming that he would dedicate the time and energy and have the same recruiting success that CBJ has had - just because it is Tennessee.

If just being "Tennessee" was enough - Fulmer would never have been let go.
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If Mullen went 10-2/11-1 and was going to Atlanta every year to play a toss up game vs Bama, everyone in the fan base would be ecstatic. You're lying if you think otherwise.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Their records are basically the same. Before y'all post the same chit at me I'll type it for you.


But but but he plays in the West.

But but but it's MSU.
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I think Mullen is a better coach than Butch.

I don't want a coach to replace Butch that is just better.

Maybe he is the best we can get. Who knows if its even a possibility? I don't expect our AD to surprise me with a "great" hire, don't even know who it would be, but I really hope they do surprise me and its better than Dan Mullen.

The Dan Mullen love fest is overrated.

Obviously jmo.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Everyones top 3? All 128 teams?
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Don't be childish. He is always regarded as a top coach to hire.

Miami and Oregon wanted him the past two years.
He turned down Florida to interview him twice
He turned down Penn State
Michigan was set to pursue him before Harbaugh decided to come back.....

Those programs don't come calling if you are a mediocre coach.

I would love to see your reasoning for why Penn State hired James Franklin since by the numbers, he was a horrible coach.
 
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Behr said:
I think Mullen is a better coach than Butch.

I don't want a coach to replace Butch that is just better.

Maybe he is the best we can get. Who knows if its even a possibility? I don't expect our AD to surprise me with a "great" hire, don't even know who it would be, but I really hope they do surprise me and its better than Dan Mullen.

The Dan Mullen love fest is overrated.

Obviously jmo.
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He's not better IMO that would justify getting rid of Butch. Butch does 1000 things right with the community, school, recruiting, and team. He needs to fix the one or two things on gameday that brings the black cloud over him and roll over teams like I think he can do.
 
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Volstylexx said:
Every volnation thread has “Hire Mullen”posts so I thought it would be interesting to take an objective look at Mullen:

Mullen is 6-21 against top 25 teams. He’s never beaten Bama and never won the sec West. In fact, in 8 seasons at MSU, he’s only finished greater than 2nd in the SEC West one time, every other season has been 4th or worse... in 8 seasons he’s only had above .500 record in SEC play 1 time.

His best season and only season to achieve 10 wins was 2013 when they went 10-3 and lost in the Orange Bowl. That was in year, wait for it..... 6 at MSU

Year 1 record - 5-7 (3-5 SEC)
Year 2 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 3- 7-6 (2-6 SEC)
Year 4- 8-5 (4-4 SEC)
Year 5- 7-6 (3-5 SEC)
Year 6- 10-3 (6-2 SEC)
Year 7 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 8 - 6-7 (3-5 SEC)

An objective look at his numbers suggests Mullen and Butch are cut from the same cloth. Average 8-4 consistent coaches.
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You're actually giving him a better record and more credit here....Mullen's true average in 8 seasons 7.6 Wins 5.25 Loses so more accurately a 7-5 type of guy at MSU with that little extra win % going towards a possible bowl win
 
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Volstylexx said:
That’s the usual comment made in his support, but if he can’t beat Bama in the West- how’s he going to beat them in the East?

He’s has a losing record against both Georgia and South Carolina while at MSU. If he can’t beat them in the West- hows he going to beat them in the East.

He’s even lost to KY....
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He'd be recruiting higher caliber athletes to Tennessee. He has the same record as Butch in the SEC but with about half the resources and in a much tougher division
 
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#220
golfballs said:
Clearly not if you read this thread. He's the future savior of UT football

His losing record last year is underrated
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Everyone outside of Knoxville with established college football credibility disagrees with you. But you're a Tennessee fan, so you know better.
 
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volquest86 said:
You're actually giving him a better record and more credit here....Mullen's true average in 8 seasons 7.6 Wins 5.25 Loses so more accurately a 7-5 type of guy at MSU with that little extra win % going towards a possible bowl win
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Mississippi State's all time win percentage is 49%. Mullen is winning there at a 60% rate. 11 points higher than the average. He's doing that with horrible recruiting base and a horrible schedule.


Tennessee's all time win percentage is 68%.

That means Mullen would win here 79% of the time with an easier schedule and better recruiting. Game over.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Don't be childish. He is always regarded as a top coach to hire.

Miami and Oregon wanted him the past two years.
He turned down Florida to interview him twice
He turned down Penn State
Michigan was set to pursue him before Harbaugh decided to come back.....

Those programs don't come calling if you are a mediocre coach.

I would love to see your reasoning for why Penn State hired James Franklin since by the numbers, he was a horrible coach.
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Oh, really?
  • According to reports at the time, Miami interviewed Mullen, Schiano, and Richt. They picked Richt.
  • Strong rumors Mullen was one of the two finalists for the Oregon job. They picked Willie Taggart instead.
  • According to some, Mullen was in consideration for the Florida job. The question is whether they actually interviewed him. No indication they did. They went with McElwain.
  • Strong indications that Mullen did interview for the Penn State job. They picked Franklin instead.
  • Equally unsubstantiated rumors that Mullen was in consideration at Michigan a couple of years ago; if so, they didn't pick him.
  • Supposedly, Georgia is Dan Mullen's "dream job." He must really have wanted it. They went with Kirby Smart instead.

So first, all this "Dan Mullen is a hot name in coaching circles" conversation is two to three years old. Don't believe me, google it. All the articles about him being in consideration at this school or that are from 2014 and 2015. This is not a recent thing...it's an old thing, a thing of the past.

And second, even if his name was in the hat at all those schools, none of them picked him. He didn't pass the test as the best candidate at any of those programs. Doesn't that tell you something? Anything? Light coming on?

Bottom line: Dan Mullen, still not the right guy for our program. Not if we want to win championships.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Mississippi State's all time win percentage is 49%. Mullen is winning there at a 60% rate. 11 points higher than the average. He's doing that with horrible recruiting base and a horrible schedule.


Tennessee's all time win percentage is 68%.

That means Mullen would win here 79% of the time with an easier schedule and better recruiting. Game over.
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Lol. Well Mon and Tues you were pushing Kelly. Thursday and Friday its been Mullen. Who you got tomorrow? Lombardi riding in to Neyland on a unicorn?
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Oh, really?
  • According to reports at the time, Miami interviewed Mullen, Schiano, and Richt. They picked Richt.
  • Strong rumors Mullen was one of the two finalists for the Oregon job. They picked Willie Taggart instead.
  • According to some, Mullen was in consideration for the Florida job. Now, the question is whether they actually interviewed him. No indication they did. They went with McElwain.
  • Strong indications that Mullen did interview for the Penn State job. They picked Franklin instead.
  • Equally unsubstantiated rumors that Mullen was in consideration at Michigan a couple of years ago; if so, they didn't pick him.
  • Supposedly, Georgia is (to quote him) Dan Mullen's "dream job." He must really have wanted it. They went with Kirby Smart instead.

So first, all this "Dan Mullen is a hot name in coaching circles" conversation is two to three years old. Don't believe me, google it. All the articles about him being in consideration at this school or that are from 2014 and 2015. This is not a recent thing...it's an old thing, a thing of the past.

And second, even if his name was in the hat at all those schools, none of them picked him. Doesn't that tell you something? Anything? Light coming on?

Bottom line: Dan Mullen, still not the right guy for our program. Not if we want to win championships.
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I think Mullen has a smart agent. Half those interviews may or may not have happened. Just a way to get a raise at MSU.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Oh, really?
  • According to reports at the time, Miami interviewed Mullen, Schiano, and Richt. They picked Richt.
  • Strong rumors Mullen was one of the two finalists for the Oregon job. They picked Willie Taggart instead.
  • According to some, Mullen was in consideration for the Florida job. Now, the question is whether they actually interviewed him. No indication they did. They went with McElwain.
  • Strong indications that Mullen did interview for the Penn State job. They picked Franklin instead.
  • Equally unsubstantiated rumors that Mullen was in consideration at Michigan a couple of years ago; if so, they didn't pick him.
  • Supposedly, Georgia is (to quote him) Dan Mullen's "dream job." He must really have wanted it. They went with Kirby Smart instead.
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Outside of Miami, he turned down interviews with Florida. Both times. He also turned down Penn State. Secondly, Michigan was set to pursue him and Jim Mora Jr before Harbaugh made up his mind about coming back to College ball.

He didn't even seek an interview with Georgia because he got a contract extension at MSU.
 
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