Dan Mullen thread (merged)

[JMSqb11]

Further observations :

Mullen is 64- 42 in his head coaching career for a 60% win percentage
Butch is 32-22 in his head coaching career for a 64% win percentage

Mullen is 29 -64 in SEC play as a head coach for a 45% win percentage
Butch is 14 - 32 in SEC play as a head coach for a 44% win percentage

Also not sure why I didn’t catch this but you’re lying. Butch is 14-19 in SEC play. He hasn’t been around long enough to have coached 46SEC games.

 

[JMSqb11]

Mullen is a good coach, sure.

There's absolutely nothing in his resume that says he's a championship coach.

We are gonna gamble on somebody, sure. I'd just as soon it not be Dan Mullen.

"He can do better than Butch" is not the metric of success we should be using.

Except the two championship rings he has.

 

[midtnvol2]

Every volnation thread has “Hire Mullen”posts so I thought it would be interesting to take an objective look at Mullen:

Mullen is 6-21 against top 25 teams. He’s never beaten Bama and never won the sec West. In fact, in 8 seasons at MSU, he’s only finished greater than 2nd in the SEC West one time, every other season has been 4th or worse... in 8 seasons he’s only had above .500 record in SEC play 1 time.

His best season and only season to achieve 10 wins was 2013 when they went 10-3 and lost in the Orange Bowl. That was in year, wait for it..... 6 at MSU

Year 1 record - 5-7 (3-5 SEC)
Year 2 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 3- 7-6 (2-6 SEC)
Year 4- 8-5 (4-4 SEC)
Year 5- 7-6 (3-5 SEC)
Year 6- 10-3 (6-2 SEC)
Year 7 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 8 - 6-7 (3-5 SEC)

An objective look at his numbers suggests Mullen and Butch are cut from the same cloth. Average 8-4 consistent coaches.

The difference in recruiting between Miss. St and UT is huge. These numbers are objective as well.

2016 MS ranked 28 Nationally
2015 18
2014 24

2016 UT ranked 14 Nationally
2015 4
2014 7

All rankings per 247 sports.

 

[BeardedVol]

I wasn't replying to the OP. I was replying to the Kentucky fan who was saying that where a coach coached mattered. Some consider the other divisions weak as well - yet some of those coaches are celebrated.

 

[Alto1]

Do what? Made a simple comment that the best coach in the SEC behind Nick Saban (you don't think we're hiring Nick Saban anytime soon do ya JP?) is widely believed to be Dan Mullen. OP is desperately trying to prove otherwise, that Mullen is no better than Jones, and it doesn't wash imo.

PS- I have zero aspirations as a fan of Tennessee of winning a national championship....just win the stupid, freaking awful SECe. And I believe that Mullen, who's clearly a much better coach than Butch Jones, would be far more likely to do so.

Good points KB.

If Mullen had our facilities, and our recruiting budget (which has always been the highest or one of the highest in the nation), our $$$ for top assistants, he might very well kick bama's ass.

 

[njvols]

Basically this. We would be paying near 5 million a year for more or less the same. If you are going to be paying that kind of money, you have to get a proven winner.

MSU's East team every year is Kentucky as well. So, take his 7-8 win seasons, and his few SEC wins, and factor that in.

Last year he won 5 regular season games in his eighth year at MSU. He lost to South Alabama at home, and Kentucky and BYU on the road. The wins were bad South Carolina, TX A&M and Ole Miss teams, UMass, and Samford. They weren't even bowl eligible. They were given a pity bid and squeaked out a win against Miami of Ohio at the last minute.

Stop using reality to support your position! There's no room for that on VN.

 

[BJWeeks]

If you can't tell the difference in coaching from Dan Mullen and Butch Jones then I feel sorry for you. Mullen is 100 times the better coach

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

Every volnation thread has “Hire Mullen”posts so I thought it would be interesting to take an objective look at Mullen:

Mullen is 6-21 against top 25 teams. He’s never beaten Bama and never won the sec West. In fact, in 8 seasons at MSU, he’s only finished greater than 2nd in the SEC West one time, every other season has been 4th or worse... in 8 seasons he’s only had above .500 record in SEC play 1 time.

His best season and only season to achieve 10 wins was 2013 when they went 10-3 and lost in the Orange Bowl. That was in year, wait for it..... 6 at MSU

Year 1 record - 5-7 (3-5 SEC)
Year 2 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 3- 7-6 (2-6 SEC)
Year 4- 8-5 (4-4 SEC)
Year 5- 7-6 (3-5 SEC)
Year 6- 10-3 (6-2 SEC)
Year 7 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 8 - 6-7 (3-5 SEC)

An objective look at his numbers suggests Mullen and Butch are cut from the same cloth. Average 8-4 consistent coaches.

Does Butch play in the SEC West?

What would Mullen do with Tennessee's much higher rated recruits?

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Mullen has only lost to UK once, and that was on a last second field goal. And he doesn't have the talent gap over UK that pretty much everyone else like UT/UGA/UF, etc have.

If I was a Cat fan, I would also want Mullen to replace CBJ. Problem for them and winner for us, CBJ stays for another 11 years.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

If you know of a coach that is better than Saban and would come to UT then I'd love to hear about him.

That's not the question, though, is it?

The question of this thread is simple: Is Dan Mullen the right guy to be Tennessee's next head coach?

See? Simple.

And the answer is equally simple: as long as our goal is to win championships (and it should always be that), then No. He is not the right guy.

Nothing to do with whether he's better than Butch, nothing to do with whether he's better than Saban, these are straw men, thrown into the conversation to mislead us, get us off track. Complicate the question, muddle it.

This isn't about Saban. It's not about Butch. It's about Dan Mullen, and whether he could win championships as Tennessee's future head coach.

All indications are that he is absolutely not that guy.

Simple.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Except the two championship rings he has.

Dan Mullen has championship rings as a head coach? News to me.

What did he win?

 

[JohnD13]

If you can't tell the difference in coaching from Dan Mullen and Butch Jones then I feel sorry for you. Mullen is 100 times the better coach

You are not smart.

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

Don't worry. It won't be Mullen but UT will find another way to miraculously hire another golden turd.

Brian Kelly or Mike Riley IMO

 

[JohnD13]

Good points KB.

If Mullen had our facilities, and our recruiting budget (which has always been the highest or one of the highest in the nation), our $$$ for top assistants, he might very well kick bama's ass.

if, if, if if... Geez

 

[fade route]

Basically this. We would be paying near 5 million a year for more or less the same. If you are going to be paying that kind of money, you have to get a proven winner.

MSU's East team every year is Kentucky as well. So, take his 7-8 win seasons, and his few SEC wins, and factor that in.

Last year he won 5 regular season games in his eighth year at MSU. He lost to South Alabama at home, and Kentucky and BYU on the road. The wins were bad South Carolina, TX A&M and Ole Miss teams, UMass, and Samford. They weren't even bowl eligible. They were given a pity bid and squeaked out a win against Miami of Ohio at the last minute.

Miss St 5 year average recruiting ranking: 26

Last year vs South Carolina - Win
Last year vs Texas A&M - Win



Tennessee 5 year average recruiting ranking: 13

Last year vs South Carolina - LOSS
Last year vs Texas A&M - LOSS

 

[fade route]

Basically this. We would be paying near 5 million a year for more or less the same. If you are going to be paying that kind of money, you have to get a proven winner.

MSU's East team every year is Kentucky as well. So, take his 7-8 win seasons, and his few SEC wins, and factor that in.

Last year he won 5 regular season games in his eighth year at MSU. He lost to South Alabama at home, and Kentucky and BYU on the road. The wins were bad South Carolina, TX A&M and Ole Miss teams, UMass, and Samford. They weren't even bowl eligible. They were given a pity bid and squeaked out a win against Miami of Ohio at the last minute.

Miss St 5 year average recruiting ranking: 26

Last year vs South Carolina - Win
Last year vs Texas A&M - Win



Tennessee 5 year average recruiting ranking: 13

Last year vs South Carolina - LOSS
Last year vs Texas A&M - LOSS

 

[fade route]

Basically this. We would be paying near 5 million a year for more or less the same. If you are going to be paying that kind of money, you have to get a proven winner.

MSU's East team every year is Kentucky as well. So, take his 7-8 win seasons, and his few SEC wins, and factor that in.

Last year he won 5 regular season games in his eighth year at MSU. He lost to South Alabama at home, and Kentucky and BYU on the road. The wins were bad South Carolina, TX A&M and Ole Miss teams, UMass, and Samford. They weren't even bowl eligible. They were given a pity bid and squeaked out a win against Miami of Ohio at the last minute.

Miss St 5 year average recruiting ranking: 26

Last year vs South Carolina - Win
Last year vs Texas A&M - Win



Tennessee 5 year average recruiting ranking: 13

Last year vs South Carolina - LOSS
Last year vs Texas A&M - L

 

[VolFan4Life87]

He's the flavor of the week from the knee jerk reactors. The coach we really need for success, provided he can abstain from getting us in trouble with the NCAA, is Chip Kelly.

 

[fade route]

Basically this. We would be paying near 5 million a year for more or less the same. If you are going to be paying that kind of money, you have to get a proven winner.

MSU's East team every year is Kentucky as well. So, take his 7-8 win seasons, and his few SEC wins, and factor that in.

Last year he won 5 regular season games in his eighth year at MSU. He lost to South Alabama at home, and Kentucky and BYU on the road. The wins were bad South Carolina, TX A&M and Ole Miss teams, UMass, and Samford. They weren't even bowl eligible. They were given a pity bid and squeaked out a win against Miami of Ohio at the last minute.

Miss St 5 year average recruiting ranking: 26

Last year vs South Carolina - Win
Last year vs Texas A&M - Win



Tennessee 5 year average recruiting ranking: 13

Last year vs South Carolina - LOSS
Last year vs Texas A&M - LOSS

 

[fade route]

Basically this. We would be paying near 5 million a year for more or less the same. If you are going to be paying that kind of money, you have to get a proven winner.

MSU's East team every year is Kentucky as well. So, take his 7-8 win seasons, and his few SEC wins, and factor that in.

Last year he won 5 regular season games in his eighth year at MSU. He lost to South Alabama at home, and Kentucky and BYU on the road. The wins were bad South Carolina, TX A&M and Ole Miss teams, UMass, and Samford. They weren't even bowl eligible. They were given a pity bid and squeaked out a win against Miami of Ohio at the last minute.

Miss st 5 year average recruiting ranking: 26

2016 vs South Carolina: WIN
2016 vs Texas A&M: WIN

Tennessee 5 year average recruiting ranking: 13

2016 vs South Carolina: LOSS
2016 vs Texas A&M: LOSS

 

[JMSqb11]

Dan Mullen has championship rings as a head coach? News to me.

What did he win?

Yall said he wasn't a championship caliber coach. That's not true.

Truth is, Mississippi State is never going to win a national title, much less a conference title because they will never out recruit anyone and their schedule is also brutal. He doesn't get to play South Carolina, Vandy, Mizzou, and Kentucky over LSU, Auburn, A&M's of the world.

Use common sense, anyone would have a better record playing the East teams than the West. To argue otherwise is pure ignorance.

 

[fade route]

My post was solid, but not solid enough to repeat 4 times. Sorry, not sure why that happened

 

[Sarms58]

Every volnation thread has “Hire Mullen”posts so I thought it would be interesting to take an objective look at Mullen:

Mullen is 6-21 against top 25 teams. He’s never beaten Bama and never won the sec West. In fact, in 8 seasons at MSU, he’s only finished greater than 2nd in the SEC West one time, every other season has been 4th or worse... in 8 seasons he’s only had above .500 record in SEC play 1 time.

His best season and only season to achieve 10 wins was 2013 when they went 10-3 and lost in the Orange Bowl. That was in year, wait for it..... 6 at MSU

Year 1 record - 5-7 (3-5 SEC)
Year 2 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 3- 7-6 (2-6 SEC)
Year 4- 8-5 (4-4 SEC)
Year 5- 7-6 (3-5 SEC)
Year 6- 10-3 (6-2 SEC)
Year 7 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 8 - 6-7 (3-5 SEC)

An objective look at his numbers suggests Mullen and Butch are cut from the same cloth. Average 8-4 consistent coaches.

Interesting numbers but pointless...there is no scenario where Mullen leaves MSU for Tennessee...he and his family are plugged into the community and well supported - even when he loses games...his record after 4 years was about like Butch's but no one was calling for his head...it's just a much less toxic environment than Tennessee...

 

[volfan102455]

Miss st 5 year average recruiting ranking: 26

2016 vs South Carolina: WIN
2016 vs Texas A&M: WIN

Tennessee 5 year average recruiting ranking: 13

2016 vs South Carolina: LOSS
2016 vs Texas A&M: LOSS

MSU

2013 vs South Carolina - LOSS

Tennessee

2013 vs South Carolina - WIN

Selective facts.

 

[VolBricks]

Why would we fire Butch to hire another 8-4 middle of the pack coach? If Currie does not have a top 5 coach lined up to come to TN with the contract terms laid out already, there is no reason for Butch to go.