To Protect and to Serve II

How about not telling the cop to shoot you and look like a raving lunatic while holding a knife all the while advancing on the officer. I have 0 problem with the ga tech shooting. Know why? If someone advances on me with a knife, they're dead. I can't, in good conscience, rail the cop for using the same tactics I would've employed myself.
 
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Blow darts with tranqulizing drops on the end.

Hypnosis.

Sing a soothing song.

Shoot knife out of hand like Clint Eastwood movie.

All good options when a person with a knife is advancing on you, like three or four times, after call they are wandering around campus armed.

You're being ridiculous.

I'm being reasonable.

Again, there are several examples of police handling people with knives without killing them. I know it is hard for you to believe or understand, but it does happen quite often.
 
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First, every police officer or security officer eligible to carry a weapon should be carrying a taser of some kind. It is crazy that in 2017 many if not most cops still only carry handguns, given that they are far more likely to need to subdue someone as opposed to shooting and killing them.

Second, if you are a cop and call in a report of somebody with a weapon, I'm pretty sure help will arrive pretty quickly--and meantime, there are things that can be done to mitigate the situation for a few minutes. You can talk to the disturbed person, you can clear the area, you can back away; you can, in short, stall until help arrives--but of course help would just be more cops inclined to pull out their guns.

Third, I find it incomprehensible that police officers are not trained to shoot a potential assailant in the leg. I'm PRETTY sure that shooting a knife-carrier in the leg would end the threat, as a bullet in the leg TENDS to be pretty painful and incapacitating. Why wouldn't this be a part of our police training, in a situation like this. I'm not suggesting that cops in a gunfight try to shoot an assailant in the leg; I'm suggesting if some disturbed person is standing 12 feet in front of you with a knife, shooting in the leg certainly seems like a viable option that would involve no loss of life. You know what's also incomprehensible: Let's say there were three cops and one disturbed kid with a knife (of some kind). If I were one of the three cops, I would be inclined to suggest to my fellow officers that we tackle the guy and subdue him--perhaps after one cop distracts him or somesuch. Would one or more of the officers risk getting stabbed? Yea, maybe--but they'd also be protecting the life of the mentally disturbed person. Alas, our cops do not think that way.

Fourth, cops deal with mental troubled people every day. Indeed, a large number of individual disturbances they deal with are people with mental problems. If a young person is standing in the public place in ratty clothes and no shoes and is holding a knife, it doesn't take a Ph.D. to know that he's probably having a mental episode. In fact, that is almost always the case. Rational people do not take weapons out in public.

Fifth, and I alluded to this above, being a police officer MEANS that you will probably experience threats. That's part of the deal of being a cop. And yet we have loads of cops who are absolutely terrified of getting hurt and this is a big reason why so many police needlessly shoot and kill people. I should think that a HUGE part of police training would focus on subduing people without loss of life, since incidents like this are very common. But apparently this isn't the case. If somebody has a weapon, cops tend to pull out their guns and shoot. Almost anybody with a gun can shoot somebody; I should think the point of having a well-trained police force is to try and avoid shooting unless it is absolutely necessary. I think our cops generally are trained not to take any chances, which, again, is risk averse strategy that doesn't require much training. This points up how unsophisticated our police training is, in my opinion. Cops would respond to all this by saying that shooting someone is the most efficient way to protect the public. Protecting the public is crucial--but what's being missed is that a disturbed person with a modest knife is the public too. He or she deserves to get mental help, not be shot and killed.

It is weird how primitive America is in so many ways, still. We have a reputation for being an "advanced" country and that isn't even remotely the case.
You should use this situation to complain that all LBQT are crazy and this is what happens when they have knives.

Good Lord was this "person" messed up in the head.

Schultz was president of Pride Alliance at Georgia Tech. The fourth-year computer engineering student used the name Scout, rather than the given name Scott, and preferred the pronouns "they" and "them" rather than "he" or "him."

"I'm bisexual, nonbinary and intersex," Schultz wrote in a Pride Alliance profile.
 
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You want cops to carry around those things on a daily basis? As well as the training required to use such a tool? It ain't as easy as the movies portray.
You do realize that they have bola projectiles from a pistol grip device, right? It wouldn't be anymore training than using a taser... probably less training.
 
Blow darts with tranqulizing drops on the end.

Hypnosis.

Sing a soothing song.

Shoot knife out of hand like Clint Eastwood movie.

All good options when a person with a knife is advancing on you, like three or four times, after call they are wandering around campus armed.

+1

Boom.
 
You do realize that they have bola projectiles from a pistol grip device, right? It wouldn't be anymore training than using a taser... probably less training.

I've always enjoyed the thought of our LE using nunchucks. We should standardize a national force of martial artists and replace SWAT teams with ninjas equipped with throwing stars.
 
What about a bean bag round here? Not that I disagree with the actions of police here. She got what she was evidently seeking. Bean bag t the chest seems like it may have been a solution.

Even those are lethal within a certain range (that's not really advertised) and typically, it's a shotgun that's used as the launcher.

Provided it's an option, but the responding officer would have to double and triple check to make sure the less than lethal rounds were loaded. There won't always be time to check on such things in this day of active shooters.
 
How about not telling the cop to shoot you and look like a raving lunatic while holding a knife all the while advancing on the officer. I have 0 problem with the ga tech shooting. Know why? If someone advances on me with a knife, they're dead. I can't, in good conscience, rail the cop for using the same tactics I would've employed myself.

Yep....
 
Am I surprised by the response of southern men to this? Ha, not in the least. The fact is, our police are poorly trained and our philosophy of policing is antiquated--but the rednecks do like it. Any goober can pull out his gun and shoot somebody--you don't need much training to do that. It's like Jerry Brown just said of Trump supporters--"cave dwellers."
 
Am I surprised by the response of southern men to this? Ha, not in the least. The fact is, our police are poorly trained and our philosophy of policing is antiquated--but the rednecks do like it. Any goober can pull out his gun and shoot somebody--you don't need much training to do that. It's like Jerry Brown just said of Trump supporters--"cave dwellers."

Did they kill a man or woman?
 
Am I surprised by the response of southern men to this? Ha, not in the least. The fact is, our police are poorly trained and our philosophy of policing is antiquated--but the rednecks do like it. Any goober can pull out his gun and shoot somebody--you don't need much training to do that. It's like Jerry Brown just said of Trump supporters--"cave dwellers."

Ever done it?
 
Lol at Armchair. If he was held a knife point and the cops showed up, he'd be yelling at the cop to shoot him. After he shat his pants.
 
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Am I surprised by the response of southern men to this? Ha, not in the least. The fact is, our police are poorly trained and our philosophy of policing is antiquated--but the rednecks do like it. Any goober can pull out his gun and shoot somebody--you don't need much training to do that. It's like Jerry Brown just said of Trump supporters--"cave dwellers."

Snowflake, seriously.
 
Am I surprised by the response of southern men to this? Ha, not in the least. The fact is, our police are poorly trained and our philosophy of policing is antiquated--but the rednecks do like it. Any goober can pull out his gun and shoot somebody--you don't need much training to do that. It's like Jerry Brown just said of Trump supporters--"cave dwellers."

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There have been many cases where tasers have been ineffective especially on a "mentally deranged" subject.

For the people saying they should've shot this person in the leg. If you feel the need to pull your gun there is only one objective. Hell you're even taught that when you get your carry permit.
 
There have been many cases where tasers have been ineffective especially on a "mentally deranged" subject.

For the people saying they should've shot this person in the leg. If you feel the need to pull your gun there is only one objective. Hell you're even taught that when you get your carry permit.

I honestly think there's a legal issue in that scenario. If lethal force (and shooting someone anywhere is considered lethal force) is used you have to be able to justify said use. If you say you were only shooting to "wound" then how do you justify you were necessarily in imminent fear of severe bodily harm or death? (and BTW people have and will again die from GSW's to the leg)

Maybe LG can comment but I think there could be severe legal penalties regarding justification for use of lethal force with "intent to wound".
 
LOL. But you raise a good point...

Police could use BB guns, except for the whole shooting the eye out problem.

We just need to hire Chinese policewomen.

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