Where there's smoke there's fire?

#301
#301
DaUndergroundMan said:
Butch has to go. I'm glad all but the most servile catamites among us are finally taking their naked lunch and warming up to that idea.

Its not just the unforgiveable records against muschamp 0-3, Vandy 2-2, Florida 1-3, Bama 0-4, 14-19 against SEC opponents, 4-17 against teams in the top 25, and 1-17 against ranked opponents on the road.

Before you ask, this is only stats accumulated at Tennessee, and doesnt include the spanking by Derek Dooley.

Its not just the dumb, dumb things he says. "The champions of life" the "we're 1-0 this week" "we're 17-4", "takes 7 years to build a successful program". The classic over-explaining, and defensive excuse making that insults the intelligence of not only the entire college football world, but vols fans more than anyone; because we are asked to believe, to embrace the manipulations of truth, of what we see and know, and get drawn into the Butchisms designed only to allow him (and us) to escape the realities of him and his results.

Hes attempted to control the narrative to point thats unhealthy for us all. Especially since the crash the crash back down to reality can be more devastating, more painful, you feel like a sucker, a fool and outrage is only natural. This is what we feel, on those glimpses, at Florida, Vandy, South Carolina, Bama, when we peel the caul away and see the red faced imposter for what he truly is.

The saddest thing is the outside world kind of knew it all along, eyed us with a speculative sympathy as we drank Mr. Jones Poisonous Kool-Aid, sometimes they laugh, sometimes they feel sorry for us, our innocence and ignorance. Poor poor suffering Tennessee they say. But they knew. Just check the myriad of tweets, and national media articles from the past few seasons. Find the positive ones, and the negative ones about Butch and our program. Now arrange them like a won/loss record. Chances are its way worse than 4-17.

And thats the culmination of Butch Jones era here. The talent rose appreciably but our "Q rating" never did, Butch is a joke, Tennessee is a joke, and unfortunately the joke is on us.

I had my naked lunch saturday night when amidst being bombarded by the media and twitter jabs, hooks, and punchlines I suddenly realized, "Memphis beat #25 UCLA in exciting fashion, looked great doing it, Vandy smacked #18 Kansas State, putting the college football world on notice...OMG we ARE the the third best team in the state of Tennessee."

I believe that too. Right now today, our team would lose to both or either one. Its that simple. Thanks Butch.
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I am starting to wonder what all will come out when Butch gets let go (and I think at this point it is a certainty, even if it takes until next year to actually get any action). The Jalen Hurd drama. Reports of him punching a player. There have been a number of stories that got buried quickly. I think we may learn quite a bit when that starts.
 
#302
#302
DaUndergroundMan said:
Yeah and he collects rare and expensive wristwatches too. Just goes to show what a complete salesman he is, and nothing more.

My father was a salesman of sorts in the 80's drove and collected luxury cars he drove and dressed almost beyond his means. He explained, "The most important thing you are selling is yourself, and your own success, thats how you build the confidence in buyers, what you are selling is almost secondary. They trust a man wearing a rolex and $1300 italian loafers to make only good, profitable deals." He had so many little tricks like never letting a prospective client see him drive the same car twice, and would constantly buy trade sell and borrow cars in order to fulfill his high roller image.

He reminds me so much of Butch Jones. Both lacking actual substance to back up their glorious sales pitches.
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There is some truth to the sales pitch. The only difference is your dads stuff is mostly private while CBJs product is on tv weekly.
 
#305
#305
Brave Volunteer said:
We're not going to fire him 3 games into the season at 2-1. Good lord! Also, firing Butch at this point in the season doesn't put us "first in line" for anyone because a coaching hire isn't going to be made until the end of the year anyway. Whether he's let go now or in December, it doesn't change anything as far as who we get to replace him.
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Didn't say to do it now. I said if they decide to do it, not to drag it out. There is a difference.

Also, doing it before December does have merit if you know who you want and they are currently available.
 
#306
#306
If I were JG and his family I would be pissed as well. I do think he tried to do to much in the Indiana St game by throwing deep and trying to make something happen. If my son had to sit on the bench and watch the current QB throw 3 INT's, I'd be upset to.

This being said, let the kid start against UMASS and let him play at least the first 3 series. If he's doing good let him keep getting reps. You can't redshirt him any more, if he doesn't get a chance, he's not gaining experience then he's as good as gone.
 
#307
#307
Sin City Vol said:
If I were JG and his family I would be pissed as well. I do think he tried to do to much in the Indiana St game by throwing deep and trying to make something happen. If my son had to sit on the bench and watch the current QB throw 3 INT's, I'd be upset to.

This being said, let the kid start against UMASS and let him play at least the first 3 series. If he's doing good let him keep getting reps. You can't redshirt him any more, if he doesn't get a chance, he's not gaining experience then he's as good as gone.
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You know Butch is going to trot QD out there for the first half of the UMass game and JG will get to play in garbage time
 
#310
#310
EZE said:
JG needs to work on his passing or he will be sitting anywhere he goes. He did not look good at all throwing the ball against Indy State.

Dormady has his deficiencies, too, but right now he is a better option than JG.

Rather than mope and whine, the kid should work to get better.
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The only thing I would counter that with is JG actually is a threat to run. QD is no threat to run and in this offense defenses don't have to spy him. Coaches should go more pro style if QD is going to be our guy.
 
#311
#311
No sense in talking about coaching changes 3 games in no matter what really. There is not going to be a change. I am thoroughly pissed at Jones and the wussie goal line play calling that is no a trend. But as a fan I am pulling for a miracle turnaround and waiting till the season is at least close to over. It's way to early to start this anyway, nothing is going to happen right now no matter what. GBO!!!!
 
#313
#313
If you had said A week ago that we were thinking about getting rid of Butch Jones at the beginning of the season, I would have lost my ever-loving mind. Today, I couldn't give a s***. Let somebody be the interim coach until a new hire can be made. My argument for defending not making the change has been, who can we find right now that is a definite higher that is better than Butch? After Saturday's game, I would say the question is, who is Butch actually better than?
 
#315
#315
smokeybeach said:
The only thing I would counter that with is JG actually is a threat to run. QD is no threat to run and in this offense defenses don't have to spy him. Coaches should go more pro style if QD is going to be our guy.
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Have to agree with this. I think we should go more pro style with QD. We have the talent around him, they are just not getting the job done yet. A lot of youth. I don't understand why they are not catching the ball better though. It's killing us.
 
#316
#316
IluvdoubleD's said:
Have to agree with this. I think we should go more pro style with QD. We have the talent around him, they are just not getting the job done yet. A lot of youth. I don't understand why they are not catching the ball better though. It's killing us.
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Coaches should atleast make sure the receivers have on their sticky gloves till they learn to catch. Or, get better sticky gloves.
 
#319
#319
Anyone else tired of hearing JG isn't ready from a bunch of keyboard coaches? How many snaps did QD have before this season? What I'm getting at is bring the kid in give him easy reads high percentage throws, calm his nerves just a little! If this staff doesn't do this we're f****d if QD goes down

JG hasn't played a game of football in how long? But yet he's not ready he looked like a freshman in his first attempt, give ma break so did every other QB that's been here. This staff has ruined so many kids it's not even funny, if any of these kids leave I don't blame them one bit, Butch has no clue!

Our starter is in his jr yr and has no idea how to check off to the next receiver, you can tell by the throwing into double and triple coverage. If the play call is any route(you choose) to MC whether he's open or not he's throwing it to him regardless, JG can be the same puppet QD is for this crappy scheme
 
#322
#322
WestGaVol said:
Anyone else tired of hearing JG isn't ready from a bunch of keyboard coaches? How many snaps did QD have before this season? What I'm getting at is bring the kid in give him easy reads high percentage throws, calm his nerves just a little! If this staff doesn't do this we're f****d if QD goes down

JG hasn't played a game of football in how long? But yet he's not ready he looked like a freshman in his first attempt, give ma break so did every other QB that's been here. This staff has ruined so many kids it's not even funny, if any of these kids leave I don't blame them one bit, Butch has no clue!

Our starter is in his jr yr and has no idea how to check off to the next receiver, you can tell by the throwing into double and triple coverage. If the play call is any route(you choose) to MC whether he's open or not he's throwing it to him regardless, JG can be the same puppet QD is for this crappy scheme
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Pretty sure cbj said he wasnt ready today.
 
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