Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXVI

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NMVol said:
All you guys jumping the gun again. Let the season play out. This will tell us a lot and it won't be speculation.
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Of course this board is jumping the gun. Anything less than 8-4 and the Fire Butch talk is worthwhile. Until then we are a team that won one game we should have lost and lost another we should have won.
 
#9,002
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NMVol said:
All you guys jumping the gun again. Let the season play out. This will tell us a lot and it won't be speculation.
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Just in 2015 we started 2-3 and were staring down the barrel of a 6 win season, everyone was ready to fire Butch. Maybe he gets fired, maybe he doesn't. Currie doesn't even know yet, lots of football left.
 
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Smokey123 said:
He's not coming here lol. We have a better chance at getting Manning and Gruden on the same staff
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Your comment wasn't about the reality of him coming here. I was responding to your comment saying the fan base would call for his firing if he didn't have a top 15 class or run on a short yardage situation.

He's a tad more proven than our current headman and can coach circles around our current staff.
 
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Face said:
Obviously, firing him NOW would lead to administrative chaos.

The real question is... is it worth giving up 9-3/8-4 to roll the dice on someone new?

Not many teams have done well there. We sure didn't when we dumped fulmer.

Wouldn't say firing Jones this year is the right decision. Would have to have the right guy already locked up. But i think it's clear he's peaked. With the right combination of players and good QB, sure, he could go 10-2. But that's not what you pay a coach for. You pay to get 10-2/9-3 out of a 7-5 team. Or, 11-1, 12-0 out of your 10-2 level team.

As much as Butch has shown he doesn't have championship level coaching in him, hopping on the coaching carousel and hoping for the best isn't wise. Would have to time things right.
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Only if they hire a winner. We can't fire Butch and then hire Scott Satterfield. We have to get a proven winner if we're going to fire him.
 
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Face said:
Obviously, firing him NOW would lead to administrative chaos.

The real question is... is it worth giving up 9-3/8-4 to roll the dice on someone new?

Not many teams have done well there. We sure didn't when we dumped fulmer.

Wouldn't say firing Jones this year is the right decision. Would have to have the right guy already locked up. But i think it's clear he's peaked. With the right combination of players and good QB, sure, he could go 10-2. But that's not what you pay a coach for. You pay to get 10-2/9-3 out of a 7-5 team. Or, 11-1, 12-0 out of your 10-2 level team.

As much as Butch has shown he doesn't have championship level coaching in him, hopping on the coaching carousel and hoping for the best isn't wise. Would have to time things right.
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I'm not sure he's good enough to go 9-3. We just need someone that wins the East once in a while
 
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Smokey123 said:
Just in 2015 we started 2-3 and were staring down the barrel of a 6 win season, everyone was ready to fire Butch. Maybe he gets fired, maybe he doesn't. Currie doesn't even know yet, lots of football left.
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That was year 3, this is year 5. Large difference.

Fan base was still buying the excuses in year 3.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
Your comment wasn't about the reality of him coming here. I was responding to your comment saying the fan base would call for his firing if he didn't have a top 15 class or run on a short yardage situation.

He's a tad more proven than our current headman and can coach circles around our current staff.
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My original comment was meant as sarcasm, our fans jump the gun on everything.

I would love Kelly(if he doesn't get us in trouble). I love his offense, it's fun to watch
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
You think Tennessee would have a shot at pulling a guy like Gary Patterson if we actually did pony up the cash?
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I have no idea. He seems to have a quirky personality. I think they'll make sure it's a cultural fit as well. The head coach position at UT is a very unique job Imo. You have to be a good coach, a southern gentleman type personality (doesn't mean he has to be from the south), very media savy, and a great marketeer, and relentless recruiter. This in addition to be a sound football coach. It's a large task and not everyone is cut out for it.

Butch has found out that this fan base has a pretty sound base of knowledge about the game. Things he could get away with at his previous stops won't fly here. People here take offense to being BSd.

Regardless, I don't think we'll be shopping this year. He'll get another year with a 6-6 or better record because the AD knows that UT fans are loyal to the end and will still buy tickets and merchandise. His equity will run out next year if it's another 7-5, 8-4 type year. All JMO
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I bet if we offered Gruden 10m he'd take it. Can Currie do that and will we pony up? Michigan paid to get Harbaugh, we need to pay to get Gruden. Of course, the Ryan brothers may be looking for a job also.
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It would cost $20mil for Gruden with the staff and support he'd want.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Only if they hire a winner. We can't fire Butch and then hire Scott Satterfield. We have to get a proven winner if we're going to fire him.
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That's a whole lot harder than people think too. There's about 3 guys that are sure things. Ones at bama, ones at OSU, ones at Michigan. None of them are happening.

There's a few other top level proven college coaches... Jimbo, Dabo....?

As much as I hate to say it, I think we need to bide our time this season, and hopefully next year we have a top level QB in either QD or JG. I believe JG finishes the season as the starter.

What's frustrating though, is Butch isn't good enough to plug and play 10 win seasons. But... hardly anyone is. We just want it so badly.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
It's been five years, same mistakes are their, horrible management and development of personnel, terrible in game coaching, there's nothing to wait for. You think Butch rallies this team and beats Bama? Not a chance. JG starting could give them a spark, but Butch won't do it just like he wouldn't start Dobbs over Worley.
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Not the same mistakes.

The passes on the last series hit our players in the hands. The calls were good enough if the plays were made. The receiving corp is green and JJ was out.

It's more frustrating because this is not like the Oklahoma game a couple of years ago where OU's d-line dominated our o-line in the 2nd half or the Florida game a couple of years ago where a coach lost his job because of Florida's comeback on the 4th down play.

Sure the last play seemed similar but it wasn't. All Florida needed to do was to get into field goal range and a prevent d doesn't necessarily stop that. But with a TD in previous series the question is moot.

Sure it was disappointing. The D played well enough to win when there was such a hue anc cry for Shoops head all last week.

The good thing is the mistakes are fixable. They may be fixed and other shortcomings may emerge. Who knows? I get the ambivalence, but the die for the year is not cast. There are some major positives about this team. Coach LS was calling his first SEC game. I'll bet it is a game he remembers and informs him moving forward. Sure there are circumstances at the end of the year where it is clear that Butch is not getting it done. We are just not there yet.
 
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Face said:
That's a whole lot harder than people think too. There's about 3 guys that are sure things. Ones at bama, ones at OSU, ones at Michigan. None of them are happening.

There's a few other top level proven college coaches... Jimbo, Dabo....?

As much as I hate to say it, I think we need to bide our time this season, and hopefully next year we have a top level QB in either QD or JG. I believe JG finishes the season as the starter.

What's frustrating though, is Butch isn't good enough to plug and play 10 win seasons. But... hardly anyone is. We just want it so badly.
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He said winner, not elite. There aren't only 3 winners in CFB
 
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Smokey123 said:
He said winner, not elite. There aren't only 3 winners in CFB
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So is it worth rolling the dice to get a "non-elite winner" who we're not certain can win at Tennessee? Just sounds like we're most likely gonna get more of the same
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
If we hire Bob Stoops I'll have to sit on my hands to stop clapping.
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Oh, THAT'S what you're doing? :)
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#9,017
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Face said:
So is it worth rolling the dice to get a "non-elite winner" who we're not certain can win at Tennessee? Just sounds like we're most likely gonna get more of the same
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Imo yes. I'd rather have 10 wins every year than 8 and sometimes 9.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Only if they hire a winner. We can't fire Butch and then hire Scott Satterfield. We have to get a proven winner if we're going to fire him.
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If we hire somebody like Satterfield it'll be one heck of a tough sell. If they're going to pull something like that I'd almost rather keep Jones, even though I know he's not the answer.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I have no idea. He seems to have a quirky personality. I think they'll make sure it's a cultural fit as well. The head coach position at UT is a very unique job Imo. You have to be a good coach, a southern gentleman type personality (doesn't mean he has to be from the south), very media savy, and a great marketeer, and relentless recruiter. This in addition to be a sound football coach. It's a large task and not everyone is cut out for it.

Butch has found out that this fan base has a pretty sound base of knowledge about the game. Things he could get away with at his previous stops won't fly here. People here take offense to being BSd.

Regardless, I don't think we'll be shopping this year. He'll get another year with a 6-6 or better record because the AD knows that UT fans are loyal to the end and will still buy tickets and merchandise. His equity will run out next year if it's another 7-5, 8-4 type year. All JMO
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Lord help us all if he goes 6-6 and doesn't get fired. My worst fear would come true in that we'll have waited too long to fire him when it was clear to everybody a year before that he wasn't going to cut it. Timing is everything.
 
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