Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXVI

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Vfl2407 said:
Lincoln Riley
Lincoln Riley
Lincoln Riley
Oh wait, ......I forgot
Lincoln Riley

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Riley

Currently makes $3 million
We offer him $5 million
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Here we go...you honestly think OU won't give him a raise if he does well this year? If he flounders in the conference, then we don't want him.

He won't jump to an SEC school where he can play spread football and beat people 60-40. Our fanbase is so unrealistic.
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
I ain't backtracking codknocker. No telling how many times I've said if he wins less than 8 a move should be made.
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You forgot to turn off your backup beeper then.

If Butch leaves or is fired I'd really like to know who in the hell would want the job.
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
I ain't backtracking codknocker. No telling how many times I've said if he wins less than 8 a move should be made.
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Kingston Vol said:
I think Butch did an OK job his first three years. Last year was a disappointment. This year he has to win 8 or I'd show him the door.

It's not important to debate who I would hire over him. Either we'll begin to have that conversation Saturday night or we won't. Either way we'll be fine.
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Omaha, guys.

Here's the deal. You two think that Butch should be fired if he wins less than 8 this year. Everyone is clear on that.

I, and many others, think that would be foolish. The reason, for me anyway, is that UT has show an unwillingness or an inability to lure top-shelf head football coaches over the past decade.

So, let's assume Butch goes 7-5. Other than him sucking as a head coach, there would probably be some other circumstances that would contribute to such a record. Even if there weren't, those whose opinion runs counter to yours would argue either:

(a) UT administration could offer someone $10 million per year and, due to several factors (harder to recruit here, have to play Bama twice to win an SEC championship, administration has shown impatience for a coach that has undoubtedly made progress from where he started, etc.) there would still be a chance we don't get an elite guy. Or,

(b) As has been evident in three separate coaching searches in the last 10 years, UT administration simply won't open the checkbook to get an elite coach.

So I, and others who share my opinion, think the risk of firing Jones after one 7-5 season (which, as I said earlier, probably would have some sort of other contributing factors) isn't worth it.

If he goes 7-5 or 6-6 for two or three straight years, I'm sure you won't find many people here that think we should keep him.
 
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csprig9 said:
You forgot to turn off your backup beeper then.

If Butch leaves or is fired I'd really like to know who in the hell would want the job.
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Funny how people act like no one wants the job and yet say how Tennessee is a destination top tier job. Can't have it both ways.
 
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zhangliao04 said:
None of you negas can bring me down today. I successfully defended my thesis and am on Cloud 9!

WGWTFA x 2

34-9 Big Orange!
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I would love that score! It's about time we put an absolute beatdown on one of our big 4 opponents. I know we whipped them last year, but the final score was just a 10 point win. I want it to be an embarrassment for them.
 
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What is wrong with you guys? We play Florida in two days. We are going to win and win in dominating fashion imo. Let's get some positivity in here, good grief. If we lose, then y'all can fire up the coaching hot board but for crying out loud we are 2-0 and two days away from embarrassing Florida in the swamp.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I would love that score! It's about time we put an absolute beatdown on one of our big 4 opponents. I know we whipped them last year, but the final score was just a 10 point win. I want it to be an embarrassment for them.
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Last year's score, albeit just a 10 point win, was still an embarrassment for them. They heard about that game the rest of the year because of the comments they said. Well, in the end, the duck pulled the truck and the talker found his daddy.
 
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csprig9 said:
You forgot to turn off your backup beeper then.

If Butch leaves or is fired I'd really like to know who in the hell would want the job.
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We'd go after a G5 coach, fanbase would freak.

But imo, I think we could get a proven coach if we tried. Butch has flipped the roster, lots of talent. Tennessee recruiting is taking off and one of the top states now, very appealing..... The only thing is the fans, they'd want him fired after an 8-4 first season lol.
 
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Catbone said:
Funny how people act like no one wants the job and yet say how Tennessee is a destination top tier job. Can't have it both ways.
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Who would be interested bone? Name me anyone that would be interested that would be an upgrade and then tell me Tennessee would actually pay a big salary....lol not happening
 
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Catbone said:
Funny how people act like no one wants the job and yet say how Tennessee is a destination top tier job. Can't have it both ways.
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I think you have some people confused because I don't believe many share those thoughts collectively.

I had this very conversation with Chief a few nights ago. UT is at least 5th in the SEC and maybe higher. Everyone has money now. The one thing that is helping the UT job is the level of instate talent is vastly better.
 
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jave36 said:
Eh, that's pretty weak "shade" if you can even call it that. He didn't say anyone sucked. Just that Brandon has shown more. He's definitely been open more than anyone else, have to agree there.
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Gotta go through his history. Dating back to last year with Josh Smith. He's stated that multiple other Vols have sucked. I like the guy and he's admitted he's reactionary. No problem with him backing his blood but he needs to know the audience. Laager is right to call him out
 
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csprig9 said:
Who would be interested bone? Name me anyone that would be interested that would be an upgrade and then tell me Tennessee would actually pay a big salary....lol not happening
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Pretty much any coordinator would take the job, as would guys at lower level P5 jobs and the top names at G5 jobs. I also think Currie could get some bites from proven guys looking to make lateral moves, and there's usually a wildcard candidate or two that could be in play. It's a completely different situation than it was in November 2012 where we just got played by "name" coaches who wanted raises.

The UT job is the furthest thing from "toxic" at the moment. It's actually an extremely attractive job right now. In-state talent is the highest it has ever been, the culture is good, no NCAA/APR issues, and the fanbase is extremely hungry for a winner while also having relatively low expectations (i.e., we're not demanding a national championship by year 3). Oh, and the AD gives coaches an extremely long leash, seeing as how Butch is in year 5 with a good chance of getting year 6 with zero divisional titles.

Roster also has plenty of talent at OL and DL and would be loaded at QB, especially if Butch gets this 2018 class inked. It's a blank slate. If Butch exits in November or December of this year, there's a good chance the next guy wins 9 or 10 in year one and looks like a genius.
 
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Chuckie said:
Omaha, guys.

Here's the deal. You two think that Butch should be fired if he wins less than 8 this year. Everyone is clear on that.

I, and many others, think that would be foolish. The reason, for me anyway, is that UT has show an unwillingness or an inability to lure top-shelf head football coaches over the past decade.

So, let's assume Butch goes 7-5. Other than him sucking as a head coach, there would probably be some other circumstances that would contribute to such a record. Even if there weren't, those whose opinion runs counter to yours would argue either:

(a) UT administration could offer someone $10 million per year and, due to several factors (harder to recruit here, have to play Bama twice to win an SEC championship, administration has shown impatience for a coach that has undoubtedly made progress from where he started, etc.) there would still be a chance we don't get an elite guy. Or,

(b) As has been evident in three separate coaching searches in the last 10 years, UT administration simply won't open the checkbook to get an elite coach.

So I, and others who share my opinion, think the risk of firing Jones after one 7-5 season (which, as I said earlier, probably would have some sort of other contributing factors) isn't worth it.

If he goes 7-5 or 6-6 for two or three straight years, I'm sure you won't find many people here that think we should keep him.
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I absolutely share your fear that the administration could botch another coaching search. I, personally, don't have my eyes on guys like Chip Kelly or Jon Gruden because, as you mentioned, Tennessee has never been a program that spends top dollar on New head coaches. However, I don't share your whole idea that there would not be a better realistic option out there. There are plenty of coaching candidates who can win here that aren't going to demand $10M a year.

Also, if I accepted your feeling that Tennessee could go 8-4, 8-4, 7-5 in consecutive years and that it would be fine, I would have a hard time feeling excited to support the program. We're better than that and should demand results better than that. I would never deny that Coach Jones has made progress from where this program was when he took the job. But it's important to remember this program as a whole is not the Derek Dooley era. That was our rock bottom. Not the norm. To say Coach Jones dug us out of that pit is accurate - but it is not accurate to say he (given at 7-5 year this year) reached the point that should be demanded as a minimum level achievement in a coach's 5th year at a Top 10 program all time.

I'm rooting for Butch to succeed because his success is the University of Tennessee's success. My only problem is with the sunshine pumpers who cannot seem to acknowledge that we are not where we need to be yet and it is NOT a forgone conclusion that we will get there under the current coaching staff. The only way we get this program back to a consistent contender is if the fan base demands it. And I cannot tolerate or agree with people who think 7-5 is ever acceptable here. If the majority of our fan base starts to accept that then we have no hope.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I would love that score! It's about time we put an absolute beatdown on one of our big 4 opponents. I know we whipped them last year, but the final score was just a 10 point win. I want it to be an embarrassment for them.
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Oh look. You guys are talking about replacing 2-0 Butch again on the eve of the Florida game with what might be his strongest team yet. SMH.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I think you have some people confused because I don't believe many share those thoughts collectively.

I had this very conversation with Chief a few nights ago. UT is at least 5th in the SEC and maybe higher. Everyone has money now. The one thing that is helping the UT job is the level of instate talent is vastly better.
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5th in the SEC is still at worst a top 15 job.
 
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