Charlottesville white nationalists riots

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BowlBrother85 said:
Agreed. It's important to point out that Trump's press conference yesterday at Trump Tower was supposed to just deal with infrastructure and our country is in desperate need of an overhaul. Trump did not have the self discipline to stay on message and let his comments about Charlottesville on Monday (which were adequate) speak for themselves. He was asked a question by Hallie Jackson of MSNBC (I admit a leftist hound) and he couldn't resist answering it and then going off on an unnecessary rant which included some ridiculous comments about Washington and Jefferson. I believe that's because his statement on Monday was not sincere (likely written by a moderate member of his staff with the support of John Kelly). He was more comfortable with what he had said on Saturday (likely written by Stephen Miller with support from Steve Bannon).
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He wasn't allowed to stay on message. Doesn't mean he couldn't have refused to answer the questions but the press was consumed with the Charlottesville stuff - no one was asking about infrastructure.

Takes 2 to tango and the press is a willing partner in the shizz show. Outrage gets viewers and clicks. Riots sell.

I cannot speak to Trump's sincerity but I highly doubt he has any sympathy for WS groups. Just the same political calculations that the left makes with any number of undesirable groups or positions.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
From the video I have seen, this is not true at all. There were protesters who showed up with clubs in hand and in many cases in possession of firearms. They were not just for show. And what was the most egregious act of violence committed on Saturday? A Neo-Nazi named James Fields running over Heather Heyer with his car and killing her.
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No doubt the WS groups came prepared for a fight. No doubt the unforgivable violence was the murder.

Cops could have done a better job but both sides came looking for a fight and they got one; one that turned tragic.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Now, the focal point of the violence was the march of white supremacists. That's where the condemnation should have began.
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When did the violence start? Was there violence prior to Antifa/BLM arrival? Even if the WS came ready for a fight, they aren't going to fight themselves if Antifa/BLM didn't show up wanting to fight with them.
 
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newarkvol said:
oh,ok ..just a curious usage..
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OK, I apologize of the smart answer. In truth it just popped into my head as something more sarcastic than the typical "dumb as a rock" comment - not just any rock - a truly mediocre rock.
 
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volinbham said:
No doubt the WS groups came prepared for a fight. No doubt the unforgivable violence was the murder.

Cops could have done a better job but both sides came looking for a fight and they got one; one that turned tragic.
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One side prompted the appearance of the other. One side wanted to antagonize to the point of causing violence.

The neo-nazis and the white supremacists were THE cause of this. They set it in motion.
 
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lawgator1 said:
One side prompted the appearance of the other. One side wanted to antagonize to the point of causing violence.

The neo-nazis and the white supremacists were THE cause of this. They set it in motion.
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they set it in motion and the other side willingly jumped in.

If you show up with your face covered, with shields and weapons you aren't there to peacefully protest hate speech. You are there for a brawl.

The other side isn't a victim here - it is a willing participant to some real ugliness.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
They have an agenda Cletis, and it's not the one that Trump and his supporters share.
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Everyone has an agenda Drunk Uncle. It's just that more and more people are coming to the realization that their agenda doesn't align with Trump's. A little late to the party I would say, but better late than never.
 
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It's a difficult task to wrap my head around this whole situation. We were all created equal. It's taken our country a long time to actually start to practice those words written 340 years ago (longer if you're talking about the Bible). So, the premise that one person is better than another for ANY reason is inexplicable. People can be wrong, every person has some wrong in them. But that doesn't condone hate or violence toward another.

However our country has a set of laws that allow people to SAY what they want, shy of overt threats of violence. I don't like or agree with what many people say, but it doesn't drive hatred. They are my equal with different and maybe even hateful thoughts and world views. At the risk of "blaming" law enforcement, if the protesters were threatening or inciting violence beyond "just" hate speech, then this rally should've been shut down long before anything happened.

I don't know. People ought to love one another. It's pure tragedy what happened in Charlottesville. But I fear that oppression of views and opinions leads to a very slippery slope.
 
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lawgator1 said:
One side prompted the appearance of the other. One side wanted to antagonize to the point of causing violence.

The neo-nazis and the white supremacists were THE cause of this. They set it in motion.
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Why does the presence of the KKK at a particular place automatically prompt the appearance of another group?

Have there been any documented cases of neo-Nazis and KKK members showing up at BLM rallies and looking for a fight? Does BLM or Antifa activity prompt the appearance of violent counter protesters (whether it be KKK or otherwise), because I'm not aware of it happening.

I think both sides wanted to fight.
 
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lawgator1 said:
One side prompted the appearance of the other. One side wanted to antagonize to the point of causing violence.

The neo-nazis and the white supremacists were THE cause of this. They set it in motion.
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The supremacists came to protest. The counterprotesters came to disrupt that. One had a permit. The other didn't.

So who went looking for a fight?

Whatever you beliefs are, you have a right in this country to peaceably assemble and express those rights. NO ONE has a right to attack or intimidate you because they don't agree with you.

I'm not sure a lot of people understand the undercurrent here. It's not about if white supremacy is bad or not. It's about having the "right" to attack and silence someone you don't agree with or holds a "wrong" view. That's a very dangerous precedent to set in a country that values freedom of speech.
 
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lawgator1 said:
One side prompted the appearance of the other. One side wanted to antagonize to the point of causing violence.

The neo-nazis and the white supremacists were THE cause of this. They set it in motion.
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BLM holds an anti-cop rally.

Off duty cops come to protest and engage in a brawl with BLM

Only BLM's fault amirite?
 
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lawgator1 said:
One side prompted the appearance of the other. One side wanted to antagonize to the point of causing violence.

The neo-nazis and the white supremacists were THE cause of this. They set it in motion.
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So basically you condone allowing your feelings and emotions to override logic as a way to justify your acts of violence.

Interesting.
Sound like something
I have heard before in
Syria..
 
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luthervol said:
Everyone has an agenda Drunk Uncle. It's just that more and more people are coming to the realization that their agenda doesn't align with Trump's. A little late to the party I would say, but better late than never.
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The ******* that quit over semantics were never in line with Trump or his vision for America. I'll say it again, good ****ing riddance .
 
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volinbham said:
BLM holds an anti-cop rally.

Off duty cops come to protest and engage in a brawl with BLM

Only BLM's fault amirite?
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If they are marching through the streets, making Nazi salutes, chanting slogans from the Third Reich, carrying shields and baseball bats, screaming racial epithets at everyone else, punching people in the face or bashing them with bats if they dare speak out, sure.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If they are marching through the streets, making Nazi salutes, chanting slogans from the Third Reich, carrying shields and baseball bats, screaming racial epithets at everyone else, punching people in the face or bashing them with bats if they dare speak out, sure.
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Sounds a lot like the Bernie Sanders supporters..
 
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lawgator1 said:
If they are marching through the streets, making Nazi salutes, chanting slogans from the Third Reich, carrying shields and baseball bats, screaming racial epithets at everyone else, punching people in the face or bashing them with bats if they dare speak out, sure.
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And that isn't what happened last weekend. You might try searching out other videos not edited by CNN.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If they are marching through the streets, making Nazi salutes, chanting slogans from the Third Reich, carrying shields and baseball bats, screaming racial epithets at everyone else, punching people in the face or bashing them with bats if they dare speak out, sure.
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First, BLM wouldn't do Nazi salutes - red herring.

However, they have marched through the streets chanting how they want dead cops.

Second, as soon as the violence starts that's different but if the Nazi's are marching and chanting that doesn't justify the use of violence against them because you don't like the message. Changing the situation to "punching in the face or bashing with bats" is a dodge. Those idiots with torches didn't appear to be punching anyone.

Do you know who threw the first punch?
 
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newyorkvol said:
It's a difficult task to wrap my head around this whole situation. We were all created equal. It's taken our country a long time to actually start to practice those words written 340 years ago (longer if you're talking about the Bible). So, the premise that one person is better than another for ANY reason is inexplicable. People can be wrong, every person has some wrong in them. But that doesn't condone hate or violence toward another.

However our country has a set of laws that allow people to SAY what they want, shy of overt threats of violence. I don't like or agree with what many people say, but it doesn't drive hatred. They are my equal with different and maybe even hateful thoughts and world views. At the risk of "blaming" law enforcement, if the protesters were threatening or inciting violence beyond "just" hate speech, then this rally should've been shut down long before anything happened.

I don't know. People ought to love one another. It's pure tragedy what happened in Charlottesville. But I fear that oppression of views and opinions leads to a very slippery slope.
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I agree. Think how different it might have been if one group had it's say one day, the other made an appointment for another day, and both respected each other's right to free speech. Whether you agree with the original protesters or not, antifa's method is to deny others the right to speak; and that makes antifa the villain to me.
 
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