Charlottesville white nationalists riots

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SergeantVol said:
What's false about it? Antifa is liberal, yes? Antifa is anti-Semitic, yes? When a neo-nazi event occurs liberals are quick to condemn all conservatives as racist. Well, when antifa does something why can't liberals be questioned based on the views of antifa and if they support them? I think it's a fair standard.
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Answer the question.
 
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volinbham said:
Interesting. Guess you agree with Trump then to some degree that there were bad people from many sides there (BLM was there).
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The mistake that Trump made (which may be attributed to his inability to articulate his points well) was that he was not specific with who he was condemning on Saturday. He used the phrase "many sides" when he should have been more specific about who he was talking about. Now, the focal point of the violence was the march of white supremacists. That's where the condemnation should have began. If he also wanted to point out that BLM played a role in the escalation of the violence - that would have been fine.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
But this is what they want. They are willing to make violence with the idea that the majority will get behind them. I mean what part of the population is a part of or sympathetic to white nationalists? I would say far less than 1%. But the way the media frames it every other white guy wants to bring back lynchings and Jim Crow. If you are white and voted republican, you're a racist. Case closed.

They will continue to lose pushing this strategy.
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Let's face facts here, all of these groups are very small in the overall picture. As the media drives forward the narrative that one group is not quite as bad as the other, both groups numbers will grow. Both groups are vermin unworthy of a thinking persons attention. However, Americans, are very easily led.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The mistake that Trump made (which may be attributed to his inability to articulate his points well) was that he was not specific with who he was condemning on Saturday. He used the phrase "many sides" when he should have been more specific about who he was talking about. Now, the focal point of the violence was the march of white supremacists. That's where the condemnation should have began. If he also wanted to point out that BLM played a role in the escalation of the violence - that would have been fine.
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I agree he made a mistake in his original comments. His Monday comments cleared things up but the media and Internet lynch mob could not accept that statement.

It's an embarrassment the fixation the media has with Trump the person rather than matters of State. Trump feeds the obsession and we all lose as 2 of our institutions (Presidency and Press) tumble ever deeper into reality TV.

His comments have been so overblown it's ridiculous (I know he hasn't helped).

My Facebook feed is littered with anti-Nazi posts. Really? You need to tell the world you don't like Nazi's? If I don't like your post I'm a sympathizer?

The entire country has lost it's effin mind over this stuff.

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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Let's face facts here, all of these groups are very small in the overall picture. As the media drives forward the narrative that one group is not quite as bad as the other, both groups numbers will grow. Both groups are vermin unworthy of a thinking persons attention. However, Americans, are very easily led.
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It's Jerry Springer time. It's truly a first world problem.
 
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lawgator1 said:
1) Don't be Nazis.

2) Don't make excuses for Nazis.


I'm not sure if they are actually #s 1 and 2, but probably in there somewhere, even if not word for word.
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Doubtful.

More likely it's don't be associated with anything controversial where we might get bad press and hurt the stock price.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
The same as the rest of those liberal snowflakes, it sure as hell isnt about getting this country turned around. They're a bunch of pretentious self serving liberal morons, good riddance!
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All of these liberal snowflake corporate CEOs must be crazy. Can't they see how good Trump is for the country and business in particular? They must all be nuts. Liberal socialist loons is what they are......or just maybe.......
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Let's face facts here, all of these groups are very small in the overall picture. As the media drives forward the narrative that one group is not quite as bad as the other, both groups numbers will grow. Both groups are vermin unworthy of a thinking persons attention. However, Americans, are very easily led.
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I do know this. If you are in any sort of debate or confrontation, it doesn't matter who you are if neo-Nazis and the KKK are on the other side. You will win or at the very least have your flaws ignored/downplayed/glossed over, even if you are despicable yourself.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The mistake that Trump made (which may be attributed to his inability to articulate his points well) was that he was not specific with who he was condemning on Saturday. He used the phrase "many sides" when he should have been more specific about who he was talking about. Now, the focal point of the violence was the march of white supremacists. That's where the condemnation should have began. If he also wanted to point out that BLM played a role in the escalation of the violence - that would have been fine.
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The violence was started by the counter protesters. Infringing on others civil and constitutional rights was started by the counter protesters. Does that mean the other guys weren't d-bags? No. But somehow trying to point the blame at the d-bag nazi guys while ignoring who actually started the fighting is akin to the thinking of a toddler.

Now yall sound like a bunch of toddlers arguing about who got the most presents during Xmas. Arguing over semantics. Its like you have to be spoon fed the exact information otherwise you can't actually use critical thinking to figure things out. Hell, not even critical thinking, IQ above 80 thinking.

OMG Trump didn't mention the White Nationalist RAWHA 88 Sunwheel Klansman Buffalo NY Chapter by name, he is sooo insensitive and obviously a racist!! IF only Trump would say the things that I am thinking in my head to make me feel better about myself and the fantasy world that I have created!
 
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volinbham said:
I agree he made a mistake in his original comments. His Monday comments cleared things up but the media and Internet lynch mob could not accept that statement.

It's an embarrassment the fixation the media has with Trump the person rather than matters of State. Trump feeds the obsession and we all lose as 2 of our institutions (Presidency and Press) tumble ever deeper into reality TV.

His comments have been so overblown it's ridiculous (I know he hasn't helped).

My Facebook feed is littered with anti-Nazi posts. Really? You need to tell the world you don't like Nazi's? If I don't like your post I'm a sympathizer?

The entire country has lost it's effin mind over this stuff.

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Yes. This is the world we live in. If everyone here isn't denouncing Nazism then you are a sympathizer. Same goes for Trans stuff. If you aren't an ally then you are the enemy!...
 
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luthervol said:
All of these liberal snowflake corporate CEOs must be crazy. Can't they see how good Trump is for the country and business in particular? They must all be nuts. Liberal socialist loons is what they are......or just maybe.......
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They have an agenda Cletis, and it's not the one that Trump and his supporters share.
 
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volinbham said:
I agree he made a mistake in his original comments. His Monday comments cleared things up but the media and Internet lynch mob could not accept that statement.

It's an embarrassment the fixation the media has with Trump the person rather than matters of State. Trump feeds the obsession and we all lose as 2 of our institutions (Presidency and Press) tumble ever deeper into reality TV.

His comments have been so overblown it's ridiculous (I know he hasn't helped).

My Facebook feed is littered with anti-Nazi posts. Really? You need to tell the world you don't like Nazi's? If I don't like your post I'm a sympathizer?

The entire country has lost it's effin mind over this stuff.

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Agreed. It's important to point out that Trump's press conference yesterday at Trump Tower was supposed to just deal with infrastructure and our country is in desperate need of an overhaul. Trump did not have the self discipline to stay on message and let his comments about Charlottesville on Monday (which were adequate) speak for themselves. He was asked a question by Hallie Jackson of MSNBC (I admit a leftist hound) and he couldn't resist answering it and then going off on an unnecessary rant which included some ridiculous comments about Washington and Jefferson. I believe that's because his statement on Monday was not sincere (likely written by a moderate member of his staff with the support of John Kelly). He was more comfortable with what he had said on Saturday (likely written by Stephen Miller with support from Steve Bannon).
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The mistake that Trump made (which may be attributed to his inability to articulate his points well) was that he was not specific with who he was condemning on Saturday. He used the phrase "many sides" when he should have been more specific about who he was talking about. Now, the focal point of the violence was the march of white supremacists. That's where the condemnation should have began. If he also wanted to point out that BLM played a role in the escalation of the violence - that would have been fine.
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Do you know all the participants? All the sponsors on both sides? The independents? Should he have tried making a list like movie credits? I doubt that anybody has a real accounting for the representation; therefore, "many" was completely appropriate - better than saying "all" or failing to give someone credit. Seems like Trump had better sense than to falsely accuse unlike some other people have.

And, no, the condemnation should have begun with the counter protesters; the protesters had every right to be there - permit, free speech ... You just disapprove of their message so you blame them.

I'd bet that if the counter protesters had not shown up and had their own unopposed demonstration on another day, the antifa/BLM crowd would have left damage in their wake unlike the first group.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
The violence was started by the counter protesters. Infringing on others civil and constitutional rights was started by the counter protesters. Does that mean the other guys weren't d-bags? No. But somehow trying to point the blame at the d-bag nazi guys while ignoring who actually started the fighting is akin to the thinking of a toddler.

Now yall sound like a bunch of toddlers arguing about who got the most presents during Xmas. Arguing over semantics. Its like you have to be spoon fed the exact information otherwise you can't actually use critical thinking to figure things out. Hell, not even critical thinking, IQ above 80 thinking.

OMG Trump didn't mention the White Nationalist RAWHA 88 Sunwheel Klansman Buffalo NY Chapter by name, he is sooo insensitive and obviously a racist!! IF only Trump would say the things that I am thinking in my head to make me feel better about myself and the fantasy world that I have created!
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From the video I have seen, this is not true at all. There were protesters who showed up with clubs in hand and in many cases in possession of firearms. They were not just for show. And what was the most egregious act of violence committed on Saturday? A Neo-Nazi named James Fields running over Heather Heyer with his car and killing her.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Yes. This is the world we live in. If everyone here isn't denouncing Nazism then you are a sympathizer. Same goes for Trans stuff. If you aren't an ally then you are the enemy!...
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I'm with you on the trans stuff. It isn't good enough to simply be indifferent towards it or OK with it. If you don't think Caitlyn Jenner winning an ESPY is one of the greatest events of the last century, then you must be a bigot. It's ridiculous.

However, if you are associated in some way with an overtly racist movement/person (like Trump was with David Duke), and you have to be pressed by your handlers and the media to specifically denounce it days after it's been out there, then you're just an idiot.

Rule #1 for a politician in that situation is to explicitly and unequivocally denounce the bad thing you are associated with, even if people, even your political opponents, know you aren't a racist and are trying to smear you. Trump, who is very politically skilled in some regards, has a very low political IQ on that one.

Trump is a wealthy New York real estate developer. Of course he doesn't have Nazi sympathies. It's just an absurd association, but you still have to specifically denounce it if you are ever dragged into a debate over it.
 
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AM64 said:
Do you know all the participants? All the sponsors on both sides? The independents? Should he have tried making a list like movie credits? I doubt that anybody has a real accounting for the representation; therefore, "many" was completely appropriate - better than saying "all" or failing to give someone credit. Seems like Trump had better sense than to falsely accuse unlike some other people have.

And, no, the condemnation should have begun with the counter protesters; the protesters had every right to be there - permit, free speech ... You just disapprove of their message so you blame them.

I'd bet that if the counter protesters had not shown up and had their own unopposed demonstration on another day, the antifa/BLM crowd would have left damage in their wake unlike the first group.
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I disapprove of their message but more importantly, I disapprove of a Neo-Nazi named James Fields running over Heather Heyer with his car and killing her. That was the most significant incident on Saturday and where the condemnation should have began.

Trump should have been more specific about who he was condemning then what he was on Saturday. Anything would have been better than just leaving it at "many sides".
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
From the video I have seen, this is not true at all. There were protesters who showed up with clubs in hand and in many cases in possession of firearms. They were not just for show. And what was the most egregious act of violence committed on Saturday? A Neo-Nazi named James Fields running over Heather Heyer with his car and killing her.
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I saw a new video taken from the d-bags holding the actual march and yes, they were armed with stuff, there were no cops there to separate the groups, then walked right up to the counter protesters and those are the ones who opened up with pepper spray and all hell broke loose. Saw it on LiveLeak. This was before the dumbass drove his car through a bunch of people.

What I found most curious is that the cops didn't provide a barrier around the march and counter protest, and why roads were not seemingly blocked off.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I disapprove of their message but more importantly, I disapprove of a Neo-Nazi named James Fields running over Heather Heyer with his car and killing her. That was the most significant incident on Saturday and where the condemnation should have began.

Trump should have been more specific about who he was condemning then what he was on Saturday. Anything would have been better than just leaving it at "many sides".
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I don't condone murder. However, a few more liberal hood ornaments might get across the point that thoroughfares not legitimately blocked off should allow for the unimpeded flow of traffic. Remember BLM and the I-40 bridge in Memphis not all that long ago? Interstate commerce or local traffic on an open road should trump idiocy any day. Every damn one of those people standing in the road should have been arrested and locked up rather than treated as victims.
 
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